Discussion in 'Hunting' started by GunGoBoom, Jun 20, 2005.
deer and small hogs? Anyone know?
I start to say "try 'em and find out," but I wonder why you wouldn't want a premium bullet for hunting with???
if he's using an SKS, I'd think there'd be a risk of slamfires with most premium ammunition since it's boxer primed.
I'm sorry, but WHAT? Because it's an SKS? Because it's semi-auto? I'm not saying you're wrong here, but I fail to see why boxer-priming would be more likely to slam-fire than Berdan priming. Lord knows that the old standard, Lake Cities Match, was boxer-primed, and no one would question it as the appropriate round for M1A and M14 use or (in '06) for M1 Garand use.
I think if this was going to be a planned hunt, I would agree with Matt...spend the cash to pick up a box of Winchester's Super-X Soft Points. The fact that they are a little lighter(123gr) would even give them a slightly better trajectory.
Now, in a SHTF, well, that's why I stock up on more of the 154gr Wolf than either of the other loads. Realistically, I think any survival shooting I would do would more for food than zombie killing.
Yes, they offer more bullet mass and have good terminal effects. The only thing to watch out for is banged up SP tips. My SKS will feed them fine unless they are REALLY messed up.
I've read (I'm pretty sure it was either this site or SKSboards) that berdan primers are harder than boxer primers, and are therefore less likely to slamfire in a gun like an SKS with a floading firing pin.
Often military primers are harder than commercial primers. Yes.
Most berdan is military.
Is berdan priming the cause of hard primers? I'm going to have to say no. I've seen some very hard match ammo primers.
If one's firing pin spring will not allow for the bolt to close without the pin slam-firing, one has quite unsafe rifle, indeed. I'm not going to say that this is a non-issue, but it's never come to my attention in some decades of shooting. I will have to give it some study.
if you're worried about slamfires with soft primers then you need to clean your rifle right... or get a lighter firing pin...
as for the bullet in question...
i wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer or hogs... there have been several posts here showing results of penetration test showing the wolf hp, fmj, and sp loads...
The bullet might be fine but the cases are loaded with wild variances... I had some Wolf 30-06 soft point I got on the cheap... (I was going t use it for a hi-power match) but accuracy was so varied... I was 'patterning' bullets in a six inch circle at 50 yards with the stuff from a "known shooter" my 1903A3 Springfield.
Better to buy a Winchester or Norma soft point for hunting. I think the 7.62x39 might be a little light for big hogs, unlike the 30-30 you can't put a 170 bullet in it.
I have hunted with my SKS and my AK47 for both hogs and deer. It works fine on either one. I got a 640 pound ferrel hog last week with my AK47 from 70 yards out, he went down on the first shot.
Where can you legally hunt with an AK-47?!
Texas would let ya...
Texas, And anywhere else that allows hunting with semi-auto rifles Or is there something,"special", about an AK-47...Matter of fact, I don't know of any regulation(doesn't mean they don't exist), that states NFA weapons(or fully automatic weapons or suppressed weapons) are verboden for hunting. Probably be best to not go the extra mile with the selector though, especially with the 5 round mag limit for hunting non nuisance animals...
Rbernie,Damn! You beat me to it...
Repeat after me class," A gun, is a gun, is a gun"!!!! If it is a legal caliber to hunt the game you are after with, and not forbidden by state mandate, it is proper for whatever legal use you can imagine...Hunting included . I would love to take a REAL Select Fire AK-47/M-16/FN FNC deer hunting just to say I did it. Here in Texas .223 and 7.62X39 are legal for deer(as long as non FMJ ammo is used), so whatever rifle you have chambered for it SHOULD also be legal, reguardless of the action type or ROF possible(semi, full auto, select fire, bolt action, muzzle loader, or cap and ball ).
PS- A gun, is a gun, is a gun, until all gunnies believe this, there is no way we can convince the anties to even hear our arguments ...
Actually, a "gun" is typically a crew-served weapon, if you really want to be technical...
Well, the GA
DNR Guide does restrict shotgun capacity for deer and boar, does have a caliber restriction, and does not allow "silencers", but does not appear to mention FA fire.
Sir, be aware most SKS rifles come without a firing pin return spring. That's they way they were made. Haven't had any slam fire on me yet, and I have used production American made ammo, Federal large rifle primers, Magnum rifle primers, and CCI #34 and 41 milspec primers - not one slamfire. properly cared for, with good ammo, not a problem.
My point was that there shouldn't be any problem with boxer primed ammunition in any rifle chambered for the cartridge. If there is a safety problem, it is with an inherently unsafe rifle, and not what kind of priming is used. I've never had a slamfire in the decade and some of shooting my SKS and other SKS's and AK varients.
John, most folk are talking about the semi-auto versions in the US when they talk about an AK. But you know that. Texas is by no means unique in allowing semiauto firearms ("gun" means: Crew served weapons as in artillery, and heavy and even squad MG's, but also can include shotguns) for hunting, but specifically disallows the use of full auto for hunting.
Back to the regularly scheduled thread-- I like Dr Rob's answer, above.
I have had slamfires with a Norinco AK variant. It was still doing it after a trip to the gun doctor, too.
Good deer hunting gun until it went all wonky with less than 500 rounds through it. I must have cleaned it too often or something.
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