Arizonans! Make your voice heard!

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L-Frame, like I said, I'm all for gun training. I just don't need the government to make me feel safe from other law abiding citizen's exercising their God given constitutional rights.
 
When you start legally open carrying, you quickly get paranoid about jackets...at least I did. It will be great to be able to conceal without worrying about some overzealous cop. Woohoo!
 
Vermont

We've had no measurable amount of problems in Vermont but it's a hunting state and as stated in a post above. the moral responsibility is passed down from generation to generation. Do I think that people need a safety course YES ,especially the inner city people because they get their handling skills / ideas from TV or video games and think they are pistol masters. But on the other hand you need to be held accountable for you actions. Give them an 8 hour class on safe handling and STORAGE class, pat them on the ass on the way out the door and tell them they are now ACCOUNTABLE, not the gun manufacture, not the state or society becuse it's their trigger finger that is connected to THEIR brain.
Scary thought...a bunch of armed ACORN people at the polls for the next election. I'm sure it will have qualifiers like Vermont, and should. Must by 21, must be a state resident and US citizen and not a convicted felon or have a TRO.
 
L-Frame - I know it runs counter to our current culture but the vast majority of people are good, honest, responsible people. We can see this when looking at the overwhelming gun sales surge in the US over the last few years and no sea of blood in accidental or intentional shootings that should have followed. Many, many non-gun-owners bought their first firearms in the last few years, and there is no mandatory training for them, but they have done admirably well.

Most states allow unlicensed open carry - no blood. Two states allow unlicensed concealed carry - no blood. The same argument was used when Florida passed the first shall-issue law (people just aren't that responsible...) - no blood bath. The truth is that when it comes to guns, there's a lawyer attached to every bullet and that keeps responsible, law abiding people in check. For the irresponsible and non-law abiding people - which are an underwhelming minor that I would rather not have the laws tailored around - they are going to do whatever they do whether everyone else is subjected to infringements on rights or not.

BTW, I believe that mandatory training is an infringement because of the following scenario. Let's say you are a woman that just realized you are being stalked. You should be able to drive by a gun store on your way home, by a pistol and holster, and carry it immediately. Otherwise, any type of waiting period is an infringement on the immediate right to prepare yourself for defense. Plus, guns are WAY simpler to use and be safe with than most people think. Most people can be taught and understand the 4 rules in 15 minutes, and be taught how to use a revolver adequately in another 15. WAY easier than driving a car...
 
KFYI is talking about the bill this morning. They hosts are basically taking L-Frames viewpoint and are lobbying for the gov. not to sign the bill. They are using the El Mirage Walmart AD as support for their position...
 
The "nearly famous Barry Young" on KFYI this morning is a loser. He's always sucking up to McCain as well. I would not worry about him, although I was surprised at his stupidity this morning.
 
The moron in WalMart was no AD, that was pure stupidity and negligence. ALSO, he was carrying openly, which has been legal since the state began. The new bill woudn't have changed a single thing in that instance, kind of like when the leftists were lobbying for the Brady law saying it would have stopped Hinkley, who would have passed every Brady check with flying colors.
Lobby the gov to make it mandatory for schools to offer the Arizona Gun Safety course as an elective in all high schools!
 
KFYI is talking about the bill this morning. They hosts are basically taking L-Frames viewpoint and are lobbying for the gov. not to sign the bill. They are using the El Mirage Walmart AD as support for their position...
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The "nearly famous Barry Young" on KFYI this morning is a loser. He's always sucking up to McCain as well. I would not worry about him, although I was surprised at his stupidity this morning.
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Yeah, I'm about done with KFYI. I've been getting more and more upset when I hear this coming from a supposedly Conservative outlet. They are really just like all the politicians running as Conservatives, until we find out where they really stand.
 
Yeah, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage are the only one's worth listening to. Even in AZ, local talk radio can be weak.
 
Isn't listed as sent to her yet, listed "transmit to Senate" right now, will probably say "transmit to Governor" tomorrow. AZ residents who are in favor of this, please call/e-mail Governor Brewer and ask her to sign it, get your opinion in now.
 
From Governor Jan Brewer's Website
"Protecting Second Amendment Rights
•Proud member and longtime supporter of National Rifle Association.
•Proud member and longtime supporter of the Arizona Rifle and Pistol Association.
•Throughout her career, Brewer has consistently supported pro-firearm legislative initiatives.
•As Governor, she has expanded gun owner rights to carry firearms while respecting private property rights."
Reading this I would hope she signs S. B. 1108 afirming our Articile 2 zec. 26 rights, still a call or a visit to her web site couldn't hurt.
 
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Wether there is a law to carry concealed with a permit or without a permit, criminals and idiots will conceal no matter what the law says. So people should stop thinking all hell is going to break loose if this bill passes.
 
I would actually be willing to bet that if and when this bill becomes law there is actually a very small difference in the number of people carrying. Lots of people will carry once or twice just to try it but i think if 10% is carrying now (nonsense numbers!) after the fact 10.2% will be carrying, if that.
 
azyogi, I couldn't find her NRA membership on the linked site from azleg.gov, but her bio did say member of AZ rifle and pistol assoc. I did find this official press release from when she signed the AZ Firearms Freedom Law a few days ago.
STATEMENT BY GOVERNOR JAN BREWER
“Today I signed 14 measures by the Arizona Legislature, including House Bill 2307 sponsored
by Representative Nancy McClain, as well as House Bill 2543 sponsored by Representative David
Gowan.
“These two pieces of legislation related to firearms protect and strengthen Arizonan’s
constitutional rights provided under the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In particular, HB
2307 should send a clear and convincing message that politicians in Washington should not attempt
to get between Arizonans and their constitutional rights.”
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YEEHAW!
 
while i understand L-frames concerns, i have serious doubts that they will materialize. those same concerns were put forth in florida when the first of the ccw laws was being debated, and nothing bad has happened as a result of florida, or any other state, passing a shall issue ccw law. in the same vein, nothing bad will come from the law just signed by governor brewer that virtually eliminates the permit requirement for ccw. however it does not let you carry concealed everywhere. if you want to carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol, or a bar, legally, then you still need a ccw permit. all the bill is doing is taking away the permit requirement and the criminal penalties for law abiding citizens who want to carry a concealed weapon. if you want to carry concealed in another state that has a reciprocity agreement with arizona, then you still have to get the ccw permit.
 
Actually, I believe it is SB 1108 that concerns unlicensed Concealed Carry and I do not believe that she has signed that yet. So continue to make your phone call and send letters.
 
Yes, it IS SB1108, I was merely posting a signing statement by the Governor on related firearms bills to show her stance - this is unlikely to be an unwilling signature, or allowed to become law without signature. I just love that statement,
Governor Brewer said:
In particular, HB 2307 should send a clear and convincing message that politicians in Washington should not attempt to get between Arizonans and their constitutional rights.
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God I love Arizona!! :) Come on Brewer! Lets pass this Bill!

As for the "Accidental" Shooting in Wal-Mart... Some people should not ever have the opportunity to be in control of a firearm. WHO in their right mind would walk around WAL-MART swinging their gun around un-holstered loading and unloading it!?

Those are the kind of people that scare me. The idiots out there w/o any common sense at all! When im openly carrying my gun, i try not to touch it in public other than to adjust it for comfort or to feel if its still in place where i want it! I would never walk around with it un-holstered... loaded... in hand unless there was a damn good reason to use it! What an Idiot!

I agree that alot of people will "try" it out for a while. Just to see how it feels. Some will keep carrying it concealed and some will go back to open carry or not at all. As for me, i dont like parading around with people seeing mine. So i cant wait to be able to conceal it! I already bought my Inside the Waistband holster for when i can use it. AND! AND.. I will still take the CCW class even tho its NOT mandatory by the Govt. because there is always room for... (SELF IMPROVEMENT)

I am a person who believes that getting the most education in this area is vital. I have been shooting guns since i was a kid and have exceptional gun experience but there is always ALWAYS more room for improvement. AND i hope the people who decide to carry concealed will at least take the responsibility to SELF-TRAIN themselves on proper control and care. (Either online through forums...youtube...other gun sites, or in actual gun classes) AND the ones who dont... God help us who are around them that they dont do anything Stupid and Irresponsible!

Thanks! God Bless!

-Chris
 
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Agree, training make everything better. Punishments have to be make when one make an unreasonable mistake. I can only think in the feeling of being able to carry a gun.
 
Some good came of the 2008 election. It got Janet Napolitano out of the governor's office and a pro-gun governor in.
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I love Brewer for her gun stance, but other than that she was a disaster for AZ. Economically yes she was left a mess, but in 2 years, she managed to really screw it up worse. She has not worked well with the legislature, and most feel she is done and will not get another term.
 
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