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Arm thy neighbor?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mcdonl, Feb 26, 2011.

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  1. mcdonl

    mcdonl Member

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    I hope I do this right.... And, does this belong in S&T?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/69429/gaddafi-to-arm-supporters-as-more-gunfire-is-heard-in-tripoli

    Snip-it.....

    This is a good chance for many of us to see what happens when you just start handing out your extra SKS, Mosins and AK's to your family and friends.
     
  2. fallout mike

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    So , if there was a revolt and riots and killings here and you and some of your family or friends were bugging in together for support and they had no gun , are you saying you would not ARM them?
     
  3. Old Shooter

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    If the government was to open the nations armorys to supply weapons to civilian gangs that "support" the government and they ride around shooting persons who don't support the government or whomever they feel like shooting, I would definitly lend/lease any extra arms and ammunition to my family and friends to resist. (Although most of them are pretty well armed themselves anyway)

    The crisis in Libya is an extreme situation, more akin to a civil war rather than armed mobs rioting and looting after some natural or man-made disaster.
     
  4. fallout mike

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    Right on old shooter
     
  5. TexasRifleman

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    I don't see that connection at all. I see one terrorist leader handing out firearms to folks he knows will abuse them in order to create more havoc.
     
  6. ultradoc

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    I know who to trust and hand out weapons too. I wouldn't trust just anyone.
     
  7. hso

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    I'm having trouble making the connection as well since the situation here in the U.S. isn't going to be be the same as Libya.

    A more realistic situation for us would be temporary failure of infrastructure/civil society due to a widespread natural disaster. We might be left without sufficient LE and civil government resources to maintain normal levels of order so we'd be responsible for security and maintaining civil order on the neighborhood/community level. That makes a discussion over who/why to arm others within the real of reason. Armed revolt is pretty much waaaayyyyyy out on the tails of the probability curve.

    BTW, I flew out of that region right after power in Egypt had changed hands, rioting in Bahrain was still hot and Libya was just starting to heat up. All the Westerners who have any sense have evacuation plans in place before they find themselves caught up in situations like that.
     
  8. thorn726

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    guys you could switch Kaddaffy (comical spelling) for "regular joe" and it works, I get it, and yes it will be interesting. It goes both ways, if Daffy wins by handing out guns to joe-nobody, so could anyone. that said, have to agree with hso that armed rebellion is pretty far off for USA, only a disaster would spark that kind of unrest and then it would be defense against looters more than anything
     
  9. 22-rimfire

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    I don't see much correlation with the USA. That is NOT the kind of situation I would prepare for in the USA. Hence, you don't need thousands of rounds stockpiled to be effective which is a common forum topic.

    I have been paying attention to the demonstrations in WI and planned demonstrations by teachers in other states. It could be interesting and eventually become like some to the demonstrations (riots) in the European countries, but I doubt it.
     
  10. FourteenMiles

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    There is something about these kind of statements that really bothers me, the "...we can't have everyone running around with a gun on their hip!" and "...now they want to give college kids guns!"

    I don't know why, it just really bothers me.
     
  11. mcdonl

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    Sorry, my intent was NOT to really bother you or to compare our situation to Libya.

    AND... I never expressed an opinion about handing out guns to friends and family. Just the fact that handing out guns to folks just to arm them may have educational and news worthy effects.
     
  12. NMGonzo

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    Yeah ... I got enough to get the neighbors to hold the fort together.
     
  13. Ohio Gun Guy

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    More like a perfect reaso TO hand out guns to the neighbors to me. The Dictator, handing out guns to his thugs to use against the mostly UNARMED protestors. Sounds like the odds need evening to me.
     
  14. browneu

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    I have enough to give to the neighbors too but I'm going to break with the pack and say I won't hand them out.

    For me they chose their fate by not exercising their right to arm. I know it sounds calice but they have their reasons for not arming themselves and a crisis isn't the time to perform firearm 101.

    I will ban together with neighbors who already own.
     
  15. P5 Guy

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    If you knew my neighbors you'd have never asked.
     
  16. Ky Larry

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    No, I would not arm my neighbors. The ones who have the temperment and knowledge to defend themselves are already armed and trained. A newb would probably wind up accidently shooting me.
     
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    Yea, step out of the shower, wrap a towel around your head and get mistaken for some middle-Eastern type.
     
  18. A and O

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    ^^ LOL ^^
    I've been trying to educate in a reasonable way the need for my neighbors to arm themselves for personal protection for the last five yrs. or so. Some have listened, some have not. If, when the need arises I'll still help in a case by case basis and at the prevailing market price of the day. It is not my or your responsibility to make up the difference on that day for their indifference today. Some think I'm nuts and that's ok by me because I know from others experience that no matter how well prepared you are that you will come up short in some area of preparation. Same goes for food, water, toiletries etc...

    On the plus side, for the most part the guns are in the correct hands in this Country.
     
  19. Sport45

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    To avoid this calamity, just pass out AR's, M1's, and M1A's instead. :)
     
  20. Old krow

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    I doubt that I'll be passing out guns for whatever reason. The problem is that they couldn't see the forest for the trees... what's changed to improve their vision?
     
  21. Dulvarian

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    There is a decent sized movement going on that would probably play hell with this. Check out Oathkeepers.

    Secondly, in this country, the pro-gubmint "entitlists" are not what I would consider highly trained in combat or arms. Those that already own the 100 million guns in the US lean to the other side of the fence. So, civilian on civilian, I don't worry too much. You don't pick up a military grade weapon and start dropping head-shots at a quarter-mile without some practice. CoD doesn't teach you anything about recoil, followup shots, and real tactics. I can not work up the worry from that scenario.

    This differs from other countries where there is no real civilian armament. And I'm pretty sure this is the reason we have the Second Amendment in the first place.

    Thirdly, I don't think that our military would fire on civilians. Some might, there are always a few. But our armed forces (active and reserve) are drag ass tired and war weary after a decade of groundpounding. To come home and fire on their neighbors, friends and family? I just don't see it. I in fact see that going real bad for a commander that ordered it. I see the same thing from LEO. Sure, there might be a few. But those that have sworn oaths to defend, we are by and large a pretty proud bunch. Honorably serving. Now BATFE, those guys I wouldn't trust if I had them handcuffed, disarmed, blind-folded, and at gunpoint.


    Off topic, slightly.
    While having one of many discussions on prior/current service and the changing political landscape, I have discussed something similar.

    A small handful of us would take our decent sized armories to a more rural location with emergency everything (the owner is borderline EOTWAWKO prepper), but he has the biggest arsenal. We all meet up there with all of our families, supplies, and weapons and hang tight there. I'm not saying that a dozen or so people could stand up to a full scale military style assault, but I promise you that the average rabble would fare very poorly.

    Personally, I'm not worried about arming the neighborhood. I only actually plan on arming each member of my own family with a long-gun and a side arm (that they are capable of using) and adequate ammo supplies to get us where we are going. The real trick is getting there before things got bad enough that you had to fight anything other than traffic getting where you were planning on going.

    Anyone else gets milsurps or hand-me downs. Yes, that Mosin I handed you will do just fine. Just a little slower than the one I have, and with few rounds on hand. ;)
     
  22. jhngardner367

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    I heard on the news,tonight,that the reason "daffy"was arming his supporters,is because some of his military are siding with the protesters.It seems to me,that this is the actions of a man who is scared,and doesn't trust his own military. Also the UN voted to enact sanctions,and freeze his assets,and even China voted yes!
     
  23. AWorthyOpponent

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    I don't think I would arm anyone. If they had a useful skillset that was useful to me, and he needed a firearm, I would use the barter system, but my main priority is protecting my family.
     
  24. mcdonl

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    Just a reminder, I posted this so people could follow the story and see where it goes. Not to argue the pro's and con's of arming your friends, family and neighbors.

    All of my friends, family and neighbors are already armed. It just reminded me of THR and the many threads that have gone on over just this thing.
     
  25. ball3006

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    I would not arm my neighbors. None of them are gun folks that I know of. If they asked for help, I probably would help them out but I go to great pains to not advertise my gun ownership. I have a rear entry garage where I do all my pre range loadups. If the crap did hit the fan I would team up with my shooting bud who lives about a half mile away. Between him, his kids, grown, and me, we could manage alot.

    By the end of the year I should be living at my camp in east Texas. All my neighbors there are armed so I have no worries about this subject there.....chris3
     
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