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Armalite AR15 or Colt AR15

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by RJMacReady, Oct 2, 2006.

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  1. RJMacReady

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    Which do you prefer;
    the Armalite AR15 or the Colt AR15 or both or neither and why?

    Which AR15 rifle do you feel is more accurate, reliable and durable, better made, least or most expensive and has the best warranty, what is your experience or thoughts on the subject?

    Aside from the least expensive government contract (lowest bidder) which AR15 rifle should the military be using, Armalite, Colt, other?
    Thank you.
     
  2. Spencer

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    I think most of the militaries M16s are manufactured by FN, but the Colt ARs look nicer. I asked my dad about it, he said definately go with the Colt.
     
  3. ClarkEMyers

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    Colt - better magpenetrant dyecheck

    Colt - better magpenetrant dyecheck.

    Large enough production long enough for quality control to feed back (there's a pun here someplace) and so give a better feed ramp in the M4gery and all the rest. Colt has been shown over time to have staked what needs to be staked and so on and so forth. No question there are good examples from the small shops but Fulton Armory is likely not going to equip even one division.

    I'd likely go with a smaller shop for a varmint rig in .204 Ruger but for something in 5.56 to hang an ACOG on I vote Colt.
     
  4. lycanthrope

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    Colts are decent guns, but for the price of one you can get a semi custom from Clark, White Oak or others that will perform better. I put together a Clark Gator upper (guranteed .5 MOA from Clark), mated to a RRA lower and a Jewell trigger for $1100. Add in a case of ammo and I have what I'd spend on some Colts!

    Wayyyyy overpriced.

    Want top notch?...how about JP Rifles, Compass Lake, White Oak Precision......
     
  5. RJMacReady

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    Wow, there is alot of debate on this issue on the net as there would be, from both sides or another altogether, apparently alot of different opinions and preference.

    Also that Colt donated to antigun Senator Charles Schumer of New York the same piece of trash that condoned the governments murder of men, women and children at Waco.
    .:cuss:
    TRAITORS!
     
  6. CanonNinja

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    I'd buy Armalite just on principal. And buy an AR-180 to compliment the 15 just for the hell of it
     
  7. Spencer

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    I personally don't care for any AR-15, but my dad used to own 3 and he said Colt was the best, even though I don't think he likes the company too much.
     
  8. Metapotent

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    Is it true that Colt doesn't offer their rifles with chrome-lined barrels and actions?
     
  9. RJMacReady

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    From what I have gathered, Armalite is just as good or better than Colt.
    Apparently U.S. Special Forces units are using Armalite rifles in Afghanistan and Iraq and state that the weapons perform marvelously, and that was some years ago.
     
  10. Jeff White

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    Colt would be the hands down winner for a serious use rifle.

    Jeff
     
  11. RJMacReady

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    I think it is like the Norinco Polytech AK47 post where it really comes down to opinion and personal preference.
    I think that the real difference is that you end up paying more for the horse and staff emblem, while they are at it they should include New York Senator Charles Schumer's face in their emblem as well.
     
  12. cbsbyte

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    Colt along with Bushmaster make the M4 carbine for the military. FN makes the full length M16 versions. I don't own a AR nor really like Assualt type rifles. A little history, Colt in the 1960s took over manufacturing of M16s from the long defunct Armalite Company. The Armalite name was bought in the 1990s by the owner of Eagle arms. Who renamed his company to Armalite.

    http://www.armalite.com/library/history/history.htm#4
     
  13. AK103K

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    I have a Colt SP1 I bought new in 74, and a couple of fairly recent Armalites. All are good rifles and the Colt and my one Armalite, shoot about the same. The other Armalite is a (T) model and will easily out shoot the other two.

    My SP1 has literally many tens of thousands of rounds through it now and I never remember it having a malfunction. I'm sure it did at some point, I just cant remember when though. I am getting older now though, and CRS is a bitch. :)

    The Armalites work like the Colt.

    I do like the carbine versions of the Armalites better as an all around rifle. I prefer the 16" barrel with the mid length handguards. I cant stand the pencil barrels poking out of those tiny little handguards.

    I'm pretty sure my SP1 has a chrome lined barrel and chamber. At least it looks to be.
     
  14. Jeff White

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    Bushamster does not make M4s for the military. Only Colt can make an M4. Colt has a sole source contract with the Army (procurement manager for the M4) through FY08. The Army can let the data package out on the M4 to other contractors after the end of FY08 (Oct 1, 08) but they must pay Colt a royalty on any M4 produced by anyone but Colt through FY12 IIRC.

    Bushmaster has never mass produced any weapon for the US military despite some of their older advertisments.

    Jeff
     
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    George Soros would only be on topic at THR in the Legal and Political Forum in a thread about his funding of anti-gun organizations. He is not on topic in thread in Rifle Country on if Colt or Armalite builds the better AR.

    Lets keep the discussion on topic.

    Jeff
     
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    No, they didn't. I'm at work now, but when I get access to my library, I will post the facts about Bushmasters supposed sale of M4 carbines to the military. Bushmaster has stopped claiming they supplied M4s to the military in their advertising....ever wonder why?

    It was a good rumor that was (and apparently still is) believed by many people, but it's not true.

    Colt owns the technical data package for the M4. Colt successfully defended their ownership of the TDP in court against the Army and FN. That's where the sole source contract comes from.

    Jeff
     
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    How did George Soros get into this thread?


    I like my Armalite. My Dad has an sp1 that is a nice rifle. I wouldn't mind getting a Colt, but I am not too fond of paying their price.
     
  19. RJMacReady

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    Was just adding to what was already referenced to Colts sordid history is all in relation to the topic of Armalite or Colt, as for me now I doubt that I would buy another Colt, I do not believe that too many people will want to deal with a company that has unscrupulous business dealings such as theirs.

    George Soros got into this thread because someone added him into their posting and then removed it and I made a comment about it.
    Sorry, but yes thats off topic.
     
  20. 10-Ring

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    Colt...hands down!
     
  21. MechAg94

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    What is the average price increase for getting a Colt? $200 or $300 or more?

    I'll take an Armalite.
     
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    Colt makes a good rifle, but they sold us out.

    Buy Armalite. Great rifle, great company. Good CS, and they're honest to a fault.
     
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    How do the colt and armalite compare to, say, les baer?
     
  24. vanfunk

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    Colt makes a better carbine for innumerable reasons. You can choose to buy something else for political reasons as that is your prerogative, but you won't be getting a better AR. For a range weapon, it doesn't really matter what you get. For a hard use weapon, as has been stated already, get the Colt.

    vanfunk
     
  25. Pat_Rogers

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    Inaccuracy in the disinformation cowpath...

    The errornet is spectacularly good at perpetrating myths, falsehoods and lies, often cached as opinions.
    The amount of misinformation in even this little thread is but an example why we should fact check prior to posting- and maybe why you should listen to Jeff White...



    I think most of the militaries M16s are manufactured by FN,

    Actually not. Both Colt and FN have contracts for different M16 models

    From what I have gathered, Armalite is just as good or better than Colt.
    Apparently U.S. Special Forces units are using Armalite rifles in Afghanistan and Iraq and state that the weapons perform marvelously, and that was some years ago.


    Can you cite the sources from which you have gathered this information????
    Armalite is not- and never was- a supplier to the military (Note- the current company) USSF use M4A1 Carbines. They are made only by Colt, and no other.

    Colt along with Bushmaster make the M4 carbine for the military. FN makes the full length M16 versions.

    And, can you cite your sources for this? No, an Internet source is not valid. How about a true contract, as posted by your government, announcing such an award??
    Only Colt makes the M4 and M4A1 Carbine. Both Colt and FN make M16 Rifles.

    Bushmaster did make M4s for the military.


    And can you cite your sources.
    I can remember when Peter Kokalis stated this in a SOF spinoff. He was apparently told this by the company, because they had advertised it heavily at one time.
    As Jeff White stated, they don't anymore.
    Ever wonder why?

    I have been around since the first USMC tests of the XM4 Carbine at Quantico in 1986, and have fired two or three rounds downrange since then.
    I don't know everything, nor have i ever stayed at a Holiday Inn, but in the 20 years since then, i have touched, supervised training on or actually fired a few rounds from some M4/ M4A1's.
    All of the M4/ M4A1's that i have ever seen have a W prefix, and all have been made by Colt. The only exception to this is those M16A2's (Colt) that have been converted by ANAD to M4A1 configuration, and were remarked, and those very early guns which were marked M16A2..
    I imagine it is possible that somewhere along the line there may have been an anomaly of some sort, but anything official has a paper trail.
    Show me the paper- that can be verified- that BM sold M4 Carbines to the military.
    A question. If they did, they would have had to have the Technical Data Package. If they did (not likely as that is Colt property), how come what is sold is so far removed from that? As in Non MP inspected bolts and barrels? Failure to stake the bolt carrier key" Using a non spec receiver extension? The list of course goes on....

    For those of you that don't like the fact that Colt won't sell to civilians- i wish they did too.
    However, previous management of Colt had to make deals with the state and local governments and with the union to keep in business.
    Colt sells a great number of M4/ M4A1 Carbines and M16 Rifles to the US military (as well as some foreign contracts). They sell everything they can make, which may be between 8,000- 12,000 per month. I don't have access to actual figures, but looking at mil contracts it is apparent that they do more in a short period of time (and correctly) then all of the lower tier makers combined.
    My classes are a large part military, with other government agencies, and a few open enrollment classes a year.
    All companies are capable of turning out great guns as well as trash. What you have to look at is the overall performance.
    All guns wear, and all have a finite service life.
    And no Virginia, one gun- or even one hundred- is a poor statistical sample.
    I see many guns in a year- in the thousands. As Jeff can tell you, i have a photo book of broken guns. As is no surprise, the only issues with M4/M4A1 guns is that the bolt lugs will show cracks after 10k rounds- normal wear.. However. i have pictures of a great many lower tier (just as good as) bolts broke at the cam pin hole. New guns with no bolt catch (or the return spring). Bolt carrier gas keys not staked. Barrels mis aligned. Faulty FCG parts.

    My company has a fair number of guns. They mostly say "Colt". I say mostly because Colt guns are hard to get. So some say Noveske. Some say LMT, and some upper say BCM.

    Rumors and conjecture make for hard feelings, and they continue to perpetuate falsehoods or fantasies.
     
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