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Armed standoff between West Palm Beach customer, store workers ends in arrest

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by misterwhipple, Apr 29, 2008.

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  1. misterwhipple

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    From the Sun-Sentinal:

    So watch it, Bub!
     
  2. Phil DeGraves

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    What? No blood in the streets? No gunfight at the OK Corral? No police shooting the wrong people?
    The store employees showed great restraint. I guess the Antis lied to us...
     
  3. Sans Authoritas

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    How easily this whole mess could have been avoided. Why did he feel it necessary to yell about such a trivial matter?

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  4. DragonFire

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    So the bad guy didn't have a CCW and acted stupidly (and recklessly and criminally) and the good guys had CCW's and act smartly and safely.

    You bet that those facts will be lost on the media and the anti's.

    I have to give credit to the store managers. If someone started shooting at me, it would be a hard decision not to shoot back.
     
  5. Seancass

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    so who's mister whipple?
     
  6. JaxNovice

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    Did we all just not read this from a media publication?
     
  7. Rokyudai

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    SeanCass,

    He was a fictitious grocery store manager on a Charmin toilet paper television commercial who would always scold the ladies who wanted to squeeze the the toilet paper because it was, well, so darned soft.
     
  8. IllHunter

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    What are you, three?

    R u Serius? Mr. Whipple was the charater in the great book, Crime and Punishment.:neener: I can't believe they held fire while being fired upon, perhaps they should go to NYC and teach police response technique. How uber kool was that... And it goes to show me, age don't bring brains.
     
  9. MakAttak

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    Could have been easily avoided. Why did he feel it necessary to threaten deadly force over such a trivial matter?

    Methinks you are placing the blame on the wrong person...
     
  10. Sans Authoritas

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    Mak, there's no doubt the guy who pulled out a pistol is totally out of line, and is the far more grievous offender. But do you not admit that this whole situation might have been totally avoided if the store owner had a little tact and civility, and had not yelled at someone for going through automatic doors the wrong way?


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  11. romma

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    Well we weren't there, and we don't know the original demeanor of this customer, his past history at the store or anything else.

    I don't think employed store managers yell at customers or potential customers unless there is a reason.

    This guy was probably already acting erratic before he pulled his gun.
     
  12. Sans Authoritas

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    Which should hammer home the point all the more: don't yell at people who are acting erratically.

    This whole situation reminds me of a poster who said he couldn't walk too well (also in a supermarket?) and said to a young punk, "You're blocking the aisle!" instead of, "Excuse me, sir, can I get by?" The punk became irate (absolutely out of proportion to the rudeness, yes) and in the end, the man was forced to draw on him.

    Would the use of lethal force be justified in such a situation, if threatened? Yes. But is it far more prudent and desirable to be able to avoid such situations before they start, merely by using a little common courtesy and humility on one's own part? Oh, yes.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
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    As long as no one asks who the Beatles were, I can still hang here.
     
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    I think that fact was lost on the poster :D
     
  15. MarcusWendt

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    Everyone knows who those communist hippy rabble rousers are.
     
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    Sans Authoritas:
    Enough of your tripe!
    Your constant propensity to argue in favor of BG's and demean other's on this board that do not agree with your viewpoint has earned you the distict recognition as the lone THR member on my ignore list.
    Congratulations.
    You earned it.
    Poper
     
  17. W.E.G.

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    Mr. Whipple is Ringo Starr's uncle by marriage on his mother's side, and first cousin once-removed of the Zig-Zag man.
     
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    ...and Thin Lizzy "Jail Break" comes on the radio....sweet.
     
  19. Zoogster

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    A great result.
    Nobody injured. The 72 year old man must have been pretty poor with his weapon for them to feel confident in approaching him like they did.
    It sounds like he fired at least 4 shots in the story, perhaps more as we know the media is often off in the minor details. So they may have in fact confronted him when he ran out of ammo in the revolver?

    Either way amazing restraint, more than I would have given to a man finding cover and then opening fire on me from behind that cover.

    We really don't know what happened though. Perhaps everyone was correct in thier own minds. A 72 year old if a bit senile could feel he was in fact justified in his actions if a couple men came and attempted to physicaly remove him from the store. Seeing it as self defense against two stronger younger men physicaly attacking him for no reason.
    Some individuals are a bit fast to put hands on someone, especialy someone they don't find intimidating.

    So who knows.
    All we know is the guy pulled out a gun and the workers showed amazing restraint in not firing back at the man, and nobody was injured.
     
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    I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but did they really have to yell at the old guy? No excuse for the old guys reaction, but I hate employees of any company who over react to small issues and I HATE people who are disrespectful to the elderly.
     
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    Careful with the assumptions. I see no mention of the store employees having permits. Doesn't make their actions any less laudable, mind you.
     
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    How do we know the manager actually "yelled" at the guy? Maybe he just asked him not to use that particular door, and the old guy (who is already off his rocker) saw it as "yelling"? I wonder where that part of the story came from? The old guys account? The account of some bystander? Who knows. Either way, it didnt necessitate drawing a gun.
     
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  23. Zoogster

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    You usualy don't need a permit on private property with permission from the owner.
    That means in a mom and pop store, or family owned business anyone and everyone can be armed with no permit.
     
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    I agree with Sans Authoritas in principle - if you carry a gun as a civilian, you owe it to yourself and your family to avoid needing to "whip this out."

    However, I don't know if "yell" was what happened, or if there were special circumstances regarding the exit door, so I won't say that this could have been avoided by not engaging the weirdo with a revolver.

    Anyway, in my minds' eye, I'm seeing that the whackadoo is huddled behind a car in a parking lot full of cars (and potentially people), which is fronting a street with traffic, which is in turn fronting another shopping center or residential neighborhood on the opposite side. So, in my opinion, restraint or not, those workers did the absolute right thing - be ready for a shot, but don't risk hitting innocents.

    Good thing the basket case in this incident wasn't a better shot, otherwise we would be having a different kind of discussion.
     
  25. BAT1

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    This reminds me of the scene on the subway in Predator, everyone drew their guns. The bad guy knows he's having a bad day when that happens. The person realizing how bad a shot the B/G was saved his life, by not shooting him, but what if a ricochet killed some one?
     
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