"Arms-bearing Americans are rarely wrong"

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El Tejon said:
Isn't the first day of deer season a holiday in Pennsylvania, which if I recall, is not in the South?

Most of rural PA pretty much closes down the Monday following Thanksgiving (first day of buck season). That's the one day when PA fields one of the top three or so standing armies in the world -- about a million armed men. :D

A shotgun? In Washington D.C.?

This may have been awhile ago, but even now you can own a shotgun or rifle in D.C. You must keep it locked up when not in use but AFAIK you can possess one. No handguns, though.
 
They truly are a very passive aggressive society.

Passive aggression is a tactic used by the powerless against the powerful, the tactic of the truculent child.

Many folks carry it over into adulthood. When I took note of my own passive aggression in my late teens and early 20's, I recognized it as a holdover from my own powerlessness of youth.

I then realized that every act of passive aggression was a lost opportunity for the joys of open aggression. :evil:


I think we have to interpret this article in light of the VERY different style of hunting they do over there. Hunting is a ritualized thing, involving specific suits cut from certain cloths, and a cast of thousands operating in synchrony so m'lud could cap off a few rounds with a minimum of bother, and a maximum of style.

An American style hunter who showed up at one of those things in a ghillie suit and a mossy oak patterned pump would be mistaken for a terrorist and shot at.
 
I agree with GunnySkox, et al. We need to quite trying to read this as though it were written by an American for American's.

This statement -
Our world-beating Olympic shooters must practise abroad because of the post-Dunblane handgun ban - a ban ignored by gangsters on the streets of our larger cities, whose criminal antics have driven an exponential rise in gun crime since the legislation was passed.
- doesn't read at all like the rantings of a raving anti to me.

In fact it doesn't even read like an "uninformed asshat" wrote it.
 
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They truly are a very passive aggressive society.

Passive aggression is a tactic used by the powerless against the powerful, the tactic of the truculent child.

Many folks carry it over into adulthood. When I took note of my own passive aggression in my late teens and early 20's, I recognized it as a holdover from my own powerlessness of youth.

I then realized that every act of passive aggression was a lost opportunity for the joys of open aggression.

Thank you Geek - I needed that laugh.
 
Cosmoline said:
If Cheney swung around and shot a man on his six, then yes he most certainly was at fault. I'm not inclined to exclupate him as easily as some of the spin doctors.
3, 6, 9 or 12 -- do the four rules of firearms handling get suspended when vice presidents go grouse hunting? Cheney did not make certain of his target and what was beyond it ... end of story.

I was amused by Mrs. (or is is Ms.?) Armstrong's other statement when the event was first reported, something to the effect that "These things happen -- I've been peppered pretty good myself." Aside from the horrible grammar, what stands out from that statement is that the Vice President runs in a social circle that not only tolerates, but actively condones negligent discharges.
 
I've been peppered pretty good too. Heck, I've even shot at a duck winging by in the swamp and peppered myself when the steel pellets bounced off a tree. Been showered too. Showered is what happens when shot rains down on you from a distance - like a dove field where the shooters are spread out.

Stuff happens.

What if the VP had backed his car over the guy's foot and put him in the hosptial? Would it have earned 5 minutes on the 11 o'clock news? Would the hate-mongers have descended spitting and slobbering and howling for... What are they howling for? Oh right, he had a g - u - n.

John
 
If we cannot understand the post it is because everything posted is either biased for or biased against. The London post is un-biased, so obviously, we cannot read it, because we do not know the writers position. So sad.
 
It's not an article about guns

Not really; firearms are just a very clear example between our two cultures. The piece is about the American sense of freedom, and democracy (small D). Note that the jabs at English hunting are about class snobbery-in America, all hunters are equal, and it isn't about etiquette, it's about meat and comraderie. English hunters don't get their hands dirty with cleaning their own kills. American stalk their prey, whereas Britons have the game animals driven towards them.

In other words, Americans are independent and take care of themselves, and joyously, at that. The English have others take care of them, both in the field and in the matter of self defense. The disconnect from reality is so great that British Olympians can't even practice with their firearms in-country.

And while he does poke fun at us at times, it's clear he also admires us greatly. It's unlikely he would be invited to a hunt at home, and he seemed to really enjoy the chance.
 
Yep, Cheney at fault. I have no idea pertaining to the supposed southern practices that when approaching a group of hunters from behind that you make a bunch of noise so that they know you are there. I seem to recall such practices making the hunters up ahead mad because the idiot approaching from behind was not making the hunt any easier.

Whatever happened to each shooter having their own quad to scan and shoot. For example, if there are only two shooters actually shooting but are with a group, the left shooter shoots from 12 o'clock over to 9:00. The right shooter shooter 12:00 over to 3:00. They don't shot in the other two quads that are behind them since that is where the rest of the group is.

If there is just two in the group and both shooting, then the one on the left covers the left side from 12:00 to 6:00 and the one on the right covers the right side from 12:00 to 6:00.

When each shooter only covers his/her own area, then nobody will be swinging through to the other person and hence should not be shooting any other persons.

Blaming the shooting on the victim is just plain wrong. Sure, he could have prevented said accident had he announced himself as he walked up, but he probably didn't have any reason to announce himself. He would not have been the only person behind the shooter(s). No doubt there were Secret Service folks providing escort security.

I am curious to know how far away the victim was when shot and what size shot hit him. From the sounds of things, had it been a defensive shooting, then Cheney would have done quite well by hitting the guy in the chest shoulders and head.
 
We (the British and Americans) are two countries separated by
a common language.
- George Bernard Shaw


I'd agree with neoncowboy, but the Mrs. tells me I'm wrong about being
right all the time...:neener:

P.
 
Ok Bubba
I'll amend my opinion to non-insulting misinformed neophyte on certain aspects of the report
 
Thefabulousfink said:
That has got to be the most backhanded and convoluted article that I have ever read.
+1. Very deep British sarcasm. The author is mocking Cheney and American gun culture in general.
 
The dood is a Brit who lived in the US for a while. While here he partook of our sport called hunting. The article is a human interest story nothing more and nothing less. Come on people. Loosen up.

Bullet holes in signs is redneck grafitti. Those holes are created from a moving vehicle. The sport is not in hitting a sign, the sport is hitting a sign from a moving vehicle.
 
Let us not forget British comedy is some of the um, weirdest(?) out there, and not understood by alot of people. My IQ scores say I am above average inteligence, and I would like to think so, but some British humor escapes me(of course then again my sense of humor is often touted as being dry, witless, or just plain uninteligable but I digress), while some of it is easily understood and quite hilarious if still on the quirky side. :neener:

I have to say that alot of British humor is fairly in depth and complicated. It's their own flavor, and it works for them. Alot of our humor escapes them(as it does with the rest of the world, perhaps it's our humor that is dry and weird?), but hey, so the cookie crumbles.:p

Henceforth I think most of the precluding was humorous, if it came from a Brit. Then again with the Brits rabid gun control that makes our gun grabbers look as harmless as Barney(which strangely I don't find that harmless my kids will never watch him), one does have to wonder. :confused:

Rev. Michael
 
Let it go, already!!

What if the VP had backed his car over the guy's foot and put him in the hosptial? Would it have earned 5 minutes on the 11 o'clock news? Would the hate-mongers have descended spitting and slobbering and howling for... What are they howling for? Oh right, he had a g - u - n.
The Demosocialist hate mongers would be screeching for his impeachment if Cheney had accidentally pi$$ed on the guy's shoe in a public restroom - one more Bush/Cheney hater's witch hunt (what a surprise). Such is to be expected since last week's manufactured scandal (domestic "spying") didn't pan out.

Cheney "F"ed up, he peppered his buddy, he apologized, he took full responsibility, and he feels like a schmuck. Let's let it go and move on with our lives, shall we? And while we're at it, let's remember that Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than Dick Cheney's shotgun.:D :D

Demosocialist Bush/Cheney haters, I'm talking to you, too. Hang it up and start working on next week's "scandal."
 
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