Arms dealing from U.S. gun shops?

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I was talking to one of my friends last night and he said he saw a 60 minutes episode about a guy who bought Barrett .50 caliber rifles in the U.S. and then resold then in...Bosnia or somewhere. I've never heard that story. Does anyone know anything about this?
 
Drugs, CD's, watches, designer clothes, and tons of other things are smuggled. Don't know why people wouldn't do it with weapons also.

Kevin
 
I don't know the US export laws, and I don't know the Yugoslavian import laws, but why should I presume that this was illegal or wrong? Bill Clinton gave away much more important military technology than is found in a big rifle. A guy sold a rifle. Okay, so what?
Mauserguy
 
I dont think its anywhere near as hard to export a firearm from the U.S. than it is to import one. If one were to simply walk into a gun store, purchase a weapon, and ship it off to another nation without declairing it, I suspect that they probably stand a pretty good chance of getting away with it, at least on this end of things. What happens in the country of destination is another matter entirely though.

I'm not sure how hard this is to do legally, but I doubt a lot of people bother with the red tape for things like this.
 
Why i would think that the government would encourage a guy selling a gun from within the U.S. to an out of country buyer.
 
I dont think its anywhere near as hard to export a firearm from the U.S. than it is to import one.

Actually, it is significantly harder to export a firearm than to import one. All it takes is two forms and ATF approval to import a firearm, yet one must even get permission from the Department of State to export a firearm.
 
I haven't seen the show, but the title "Arms dealing from U.S. gun shops?" doesn't match up with the OP's description. Instead, it's more like "Criminal buys guns and then exports them illegally." The difference? The first title implies that the gun shops are at fault. The second correctly puts the blame on the criminal.
 
I saw the report on 60 Minutes. It was on a year or so ago.

I don't recall anything really off the wall. I think the guy had the proper export permits and so on.
 
I think the guy smuggling the guns after they bought them legally here in the US said he was going on a "hunting trip in Africa" to get them out of the country or through customs. It's been over a year since I saw it and I don't remember. I have to admit that ever since I've saw that episode I've been curious to see what a .50 BMG would do to an elephant.
 
60 min should get indited as a co conspiritor on this one. Blame the gunshop when they set it up with a smuggler?:fire: :cuss: :banghead:
 
I think the guy smuggling the guns after they bought them legally here in the US said he was going on a "hunting trip in Africa" to get them out of the country or through customs. It's been over a year since I saw it and I don't remember. I have to admit that ever since I've saw that episode I've been curious to see what a .50 BMG would do to an elephant.
I saw a short documentary on PBS a while ago that must have been about the same guy. He and the people he worked with even had a hunting club set up in Africa so that they could prove that they were using the .50 BMG rifles to hunt elephants.

This documentary, while definitely not pro-gun, wasn't blatantly anti-gun either. In fact, the availability of firearms in the United States wasn't even the main focus of the documentary. Also, the man wasn't a stereotypical evil arms dealer. It was kind of left up in the air for the viewer to decide whether he was a freedom fighter or terrorist. He was bringing weapons back home, I'm having a brain fart and can't remember the name of the region. The people there have been under the control of various nations for a long time, and they want independence. IIRC they were not treated well by their government. One thing that struck me was that the man didn't have that much firearms knowledge (calling an SKS a "Kalashnikov" etc.) and he kept talking abut how much he liked America.

The documentary did make a point of showing the ineptitude of the U.N. Peacekeepers were sent in to to keep the local population from attempting revolution and keep the government from killing them. The impression that I got was that while they might be preventing open warfare right now, it was going to happen eventually and both sides were simply using the time to prepare. The U.N. didn't want any weapons in the hands of the local popultaion, and spent much of its time searching for weapons. After the documentary was shown, the U.N. conducted a massive operation trying to find weapons, and they found hardly anything.

It was a pretty interesting show.
 
The dirtbag's name is Florin Krasniqi. The man is either a complete fraud or an admitted criminal on national TV.

Either search on his first and last name or Triangle Contractors and you will turn up numerous campaign donations to Democrats.
KRASNIQI, FLORIN
BROOKLYN, NY 11228
TRIANGLE GAL CONTRACTORS/PRESIDEN

KERRY, JOHN F
VIA JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC
03/23/2004 1000.00 25971244798
Get a load of that.

There are ALREADY laws against unlicensed export of certain defense items. The Arms Export Control Act made it illegal to export certain items used by the military and other 'defense articles' without an approved license FROM THE PRESIDENT. http://samsara.cwru.edu/aeca.html

The Barrett rifles would most certainly fall under that law since they have NSNs and are in active duty with the Marines and Army.

If what the scumbag claims is true that he illegally did business in firearms without a FFL or an exporter license and did not get approval from ATF and President Bush before exporting defense articles then under the AECA he faces imprisonment for up to 10 years per weapon and $1,000,000 fine per weapon plus whatever penalties there are for violating the 1968GCA. If he is lying then 60 minutes of SeeBS should be forced to apologize for yet another fabricated 'news story'.
 
Actually, it is significantly harder to export a firearm than to import one. All it takes is two forms and ATF approval to import a firearm, yet one must even get permission from the Department of State to export a firearm.
O RLY???

Man, now I want to visit the Czech Republic even more...I want that 550 Lux! :D
 
why the UN conference is important

This thread shows why the UN gun control conference is important.

IANSA and its members have several "studies" that claim to show that private firearms purchased in the US are turning up in the hands of criminals in countries like Mexico, Jamaica, Canada, and even Columbia :confused: .

IANSA and its members are taking these "studies" and using them to push for a binding international "agreement" (easier to implement than an official "treaty") that imposes Australian/UK-style gun laws on all UN member countries as a way to prevent "small arms proliferation."

IANSA's solution to criminal gun smuggling is to ban the sale of private firearms.
No sales = no illegal smuggling. :eek:

This Kosovo .50cal guy is the IANSA poster child . . .

Edited to add:

"Kosovo guy" refers to a 60 Minutes-type news show I saw within the last few years that profiled a guy shipping guns from Brooklyn to Kosovo. It may be the same show that people are referring to here in the thread re:"Bosnia." The show I saw discussed the post-NATO former Yugolsavia and the ongoing "new" tensions in Kosovo and Macedonia, and that the guy was shipping guns to Kosovo "to help his peeps."
 
IIRC, the guy was smuggling .50 BMG rifles to the Bosnian Muslims.

As much as anybody could be considered the good guys/victims in that little cesspool, the Bosnian Muslims were it. And like most U.N. arms embargos, it just left the defenders short handed against the agressors, and vulnurable to genocide. The Bosnian Serbs who were making a push for ethnic cleansing in the area had much larger supplies of post-Soviet arms at their disposal, and backing from larger Serbian areas.

And because so much of the warfare in the former Yugoslavia, and it's successor states was siege style, covering the cities from the surrounding mountainsides, and shelling and siping them to death, high-caliber sniper rifles were uniquely suited to the conflict. A rifle that could reach up into the mountains and hit artillery emplacments, or even just make them keep their heads down, or decide to relocate, would be very useful.

The larger issue (besides trying to knock American gun owners/businesses) was that because of the larger regional Muslim affiliations with the Bosnian Muslims, such as Chechnya, Iran, and Afghanistan, there was concern that the .50 cals may have made their way to the Chechen seperatist movment, or to AlQueida themselves.

Frankly, without the proper training, and a steady supply of .50 match grade ammo, I don't think those .50 rifles are much of a threat. But that's not going to stop the media,.
 
It was kind of left up in the air for the viewer to decide whether he was a freedom fighter or terrorist. He was bringing weapons back home, I'm having a brain fart and can't remember the name of the region.

Bosnia, im not sure which side, since that is a complicated country. What I do know is that none of the factions involved could be classified as "the good guys". It was attrocities all around last time they had a war. They are experiencing some amount of stability there and probably dont need more militants to be involved.
 
I once heard the statement 'yes, some people sold .50 BMG semi-auto rifles to (group X, I don't remember who), but they aren't nearly as effecive at shooting down commerical airliners as the 12,000 Stinger Anti-aircraft missles the US government gave (group X) for free.

I belive Group X was the fighters in afghanistan that the US used to back against teh soviets
 
Last time I checked the Bosnian conflict was over when SFOR rolled in 1996. I was there. I slept in a mine field at the valley of death in Olovo, Bosnia on my first night. Checkpoints were setup and weapons were being taken away from the locals, funny I never seen nor heard of any 50 Cal sniper rifles.
 
I remember seeing the story. He was using a bunch of guys and set up a fake safari for elephant hunting in africa. They would be allowed to take half a dozen 50 calibre rifles with them and they switched flights and then sold these rifles to various warzones. Its quite a common practice unfortantly and rarely gets caught. Its why we saw many terrorist groups such as the Provo IRA and so on using them in the past. I believe they were being bought in Texas that sees a large amount of illegal firearms transfers out of country originating there.
 
I can't see why they'd do that when it would have been easier to arrange for the weapons to be sent from some ex-eastern block country.

And frankly if they bought them here and take them there I don't really care. I'm not the government and I'm not here to wipe your...
 
Gunsmith: that's the news show I was talking about

FROM BROOKLYN TO PRISTINA
"How does a gun purchased legally in the US end up in action in a guerilla war in Kosovo? Trace a route across the Atlantic, from the factory and gun show to an airport and, eventually, a Kosovo border village..."
 
Last time I checked the Bosnian conflict was over when SFOR rolled in 1996. I was there. I slept in a mine field at the valley of death in Olovo, Bosnia on my first night. Checkpoints were setup and weapons were being taken away from the locals, funny I never seen nor heard of any 50 Cal sniper rifles.

The end of the American involvement in that confilct did not mark the end of all conflict in that area. There are still lots of people that want to kill lots of other people. A whole lot of Western weapons were and are involved on various sides. I remember a photo posted to (i think) TFL during the conflict that included a brand spanking new Sig Scout rifle which was released earlier that same year and was a little hard to find over here. Lots of images of weapons dumps included ample similar weapons. I dont remember and .50 rifles in particular but it wouldnt be that much of a shock.
 
The news report I got a kick out of was about people buying AK47 and the like at gun shows here and sending them to terrorist orginizations.

When I started laughing my wife asked what was so funny.

I said the terrorists will be out of business in no time. Especially if they are paying hundreds of dollars for a rifle here and then smuggling them out of the country, when they can buy the same rifle in any market in the mid east for about $10, and it's already there.

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