Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Army adds second ammo maker

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Gabby Hayes, Aug 24, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Gabby Hayes

    Gabby Hayes Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    117
    Location:
    Ohio
    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050823/dctu059.html?.v=16

    [See link for complete article.]
     
  2. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    22,845
    Well, that's interesting. I didn't know Gendye owned an ammo plant, but see that they do own St Marks (ex Primex, ex Winchester) powder plant and are in bed with Winchester and IMI.
     
  3. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,981
    Location:
    North Carolina
    That's $.57 per round :what: Doesn't the gubmint ever see these people coming and at least cram in some vaseline first? I pay about $.18 per round and I don't buy anywhere near 300 million rounds at a time. Hell, with bulk like that, they ought to be paying a nickel a piece for them. This is our hard earned tax dollars at work folks.

    Greg
     
  4. NoHarmNoFAL

    NoHarmNoFAL Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Messages:
    220
    Location:
    Columbus, Ohio
    __________________

    Do you pay that for tracer, and 7.62 AP and 50 Cal APIT? ;)
     
  5. Technosavant

    Technosavant Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    2,011
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Some of that is .50 BMG ammo. I am thinking you won't be able to find rounds of that for 57 cents each.

    Yeah, it looks like a rip, but what are the exact breakdowns?
     
  6. enfield

    enfield Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2003
    Messages:
    1,041
    Location:
    Tennessee
    There's probably some tooling and/or facility (bricks and mortar) money in that $171M.
     
  7. SoundWave

    SoundWave Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    78
    Also rembember that these 300 million rounds have to be stored in adiquate containers and shipped to specified locations.
     
  8. Billll

    Billll Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    402
    Location:
    Littleton, CO
    ...and papered, and pedigreed.
    Q: Is there waste, fraud, and abuse in this contract?
    A: Of course there is. It's specified in the boilerplate part of the contract, and was a required item in the RFQ. What kind, how much, the whole bit.

    Usta work in aerospace. :scrutiny:
     
  9. scout26

    scout26 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2003
    Messages:
    2,622
    Location:
    Illinois - The Deadbeat State
    Wow, and the cleanup is just about done at the former Joliet Army Ammuntion plant....... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Sleeping Dog

    Sleeping Dog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,255
    Location:
    MI
    Is General Dynamics going to make ammo? It sounds like they'll just be a coordinating contractor. So the actual ammo could be Indonesian, Israeli, no matter. If they use IMI is a subcontracting producer, they can just specify a headstamp that means "Not Israeli, Not Kosher, OK to shoot at Islamics".

    $171 for 300 rounds doesn't seem to be that great a deal. Govt buyers could have done better at ammoman.com. Gotta figure that almost all will be 7.62 or 5.56, small percentage is .50.

    It is encouraging, however, that the military considers .50BMG ammo to be classified as "small calibre". Not a WMD.

    Regards.
     
  11. Preacherman

    Preacherman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,309
    Location:
    Louisiana, USA
    I wonder if this is linked in any way to the news that the US is to buy ammo from Taiwan? Perhaps the Taiwanese factory will be a sub-contractor to GD? (See here for news of the Taiwan deal.)
     
  12. Kharn

    Kharn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,999
    Location:
    Maryland
    Pretty soon, if GD keeps going the way they're doing business, they'll own the entire defense industry in the US. For example, the Strykers started off with something on the order of 10-15 vendors making the parts. GD has bought them all out to the point that I think the only two they dont own are Michellin, who makes the tires, and Catepillar, who makes the engine. :eek:

    Kharn
     
  13. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,085
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Am I the only one thinking about how beautiful 300 million rounds all stacked together would be? Gleaming, sparkling, begging to be shot, mine, alllll mine. :D
     
  14. Preacherman

    Preacherman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,309
    Location:
    Louisiana, USA
    Now, El T... just relax... put down that AR15 and have a nice, soothing mint julep. Besides, I got there first, and the ammo's mine! :evil:
     
  15. JohnKSa

    JohnKSa Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Messages:
    12,784
    Location:
    DFW Area
    You also don't:

    Buy a wide variety of 5.56, 7.62, & .50 BMG ammo including tracers, AP, ball, etc.

    Rigorously specify every aspect of the ammunition including exact bullet construction and metallurgy, powder specifications, accuracy, shelf-life, etc.

    Exhaustively test the resulting ammunition on delivery and reject large lots if it fails thus obligating the ammunition supplier to replace it at their cost.

    Require that the ammo be delivered in water-tight, air-tight containers and specify the humidity content of the air in the containers.

    Set forth rigid delivery deadlines which will cost the supplier penalties if not met.

    Send representatives to the manufacturer to insure manufacturing specifications are followed.

    Hold the threat of huge cash penalties or jail time over your supplier in the event that any of the testing you specify is not carefully carried out, or if there is any intent or attempt to falsify the "advertised" performance of the ammunition.

    People who think the government overpays don't realize what a demanding customer it is...
     
  16. rayra

    rayra member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2003
    Messages:
    654
    Location:
    L.A., **********
    Well about friggin' time. Only FOUR YEARS into a world-wide Shooting War. Surprised some jihadist saboteurs hadn't struck our SINGLE plant by now.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page