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Army Issue Ruger Security Six?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Cosmoline, Jun 27, 2010.

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  1. Cosmoline

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    I picked up an old Dept of the Army training manual for pistols and revolvers, October 1988 issue. It describes two types of revolvers then in use--a S&W .38 and a Ruger .38. The Ruger is listed as being double action, with a barrel 4" long and 33 oz. weight. That's too light for a GP-100, but right on the money for a Security Six, .38 Special only.

    What I'm wondering is when or where were these revolvers ever issued to Army personnel? S&W's were kicking around for ages, but the Rugers must have been bought in the 1970's. For whom? Does anyone remember seeing them used?

    Also makes me wonder if there are any surplus around. It would have to be one of the last issued revolvers in our or any other major military force.
     
  2. OldCavSoldier

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    I saw some in the late 1970's used by contract guard force personnel for the Army.
     
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    Wikipedia is by no means comprehensive, but the result of this could be submitted here. From a layman's view, I would see these as training or otherwise specialty weapons. 1988 was two years before the M9 was adopted, so the official mindset had to be in the auto direction. Interested in any feedback on either of these weapons, as a military revolver used in 1988 seems pretty cool.

    Although it's totally out of context with this post and real life, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 has a Colt Anaconda .44mag as a sidearm option. Wonder if that ever got used in the military in real life. I've got a soft spot for them since they dropped the 1911 option (I like high caliber, small capacity. offers more of a challenge), but I tend to go with the M9 since I own a variation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individual_weapons_of_the_U.S._armed_forces#Handguns

    http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/.44_Magnum
     
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    Excuse my ignorance, but what is contract guard force?
     
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    I don’t remember where this information is from….it most likely from the high road forum or the Ruger forum. You can use the search field.

     
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    Ruger

    Saw them in armories aboard naval warships during the '80, 4", all had lanyard rings. Issued to helicopter pilots to replace the aging S&W Victory models. Pilots prefer revolvers because if they can fire flare cartridges if they ditch.
     
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    I was stationed in a ship home ported in Pearl Harbor, Hi. from '77 to '81 and spent time around Hickham AFB. The AF Security units at the base carried Ruger Service Six stainless steel 38 specials loaded with nickel plated rounds. The cases I recovered from the period were standard pressure loads by Federal(FC). I visited with a Marine Staff Sargent stationed at Camp Smith and he said there were a few blued Rugers showing up there and at Fort Shafter. So that covers the Army, Air Force and Marines of the time period.
     
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    Contract security forces would be a hired civilian security company for the base, very common on our military installations. Most of the bases I have been on, full time and Guard/reserve. use contractors for security instead of MPs.
     
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    Interesting! One of the lanyard US property Service Sixes would be a nice addition to the collection. The ones I've seen with the lanyard ring have been .38 S&W's from the Hong Kong special order.
     
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    In 1978 we had some that were for issue to Helocoptor pilots at a reserve unit that I was in. They were Ruger Service Six (a 38spl version of the Security Six) Blued finnish was the only one I ever saw. But that was the only time I ever saw one.

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    We carried Service Six's at Naval Station Philadelphia in the mid 90s. NAVSTA and TDY personnel, and DoD police. I also qualed with Service Six's at NAS Jacksonville and Cecil Field in the mid 80s. The Navy bought a bunch of 'em.
     
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    One of the reasons for the standardization on the M9 was the numbers of various guns across the services. 1911 and S&W Victory revolvers that had been in service since WWII served alongside brand-new purchased revolvers of various brands and barrel lengths. CID, MI, and others (some pilots) used short-barreled .38s, security types (and again, some pilots) used longer-barreled ones, and lots of them had lanyards.

    I remember seeing a training movie about a missile silo where the Air Force officer in charge was armed with a snub-nosed .38.

    Considering that command policies were usually that the 1911 would be carried chamber empty, the .38 made sense for people who might need to actually use their gun quickly and one-handed, since if you are carrying it loaded, it's ready to go.

    I like mine!
     
  13. Jim K

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    A gun "used by the military" covers a lot of situations having nothing to do with combat, including base security, criminal investigation, flying personnel, embassy duty, target shooting, post gun and hunting clubs, and so on. Guns used for such purposes are purchased on an "as needed basis", though some large purchases are set up on formal contracts. The guns are not "adopted" as standard and are not often used in combat.

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    If it's covered in the official training manual and issued to active duty troops, isn't it considered adopted to some extent? I guess that begs the question of what "adoption" is.
     
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    This must be something new...

    No civilian security at Ft. Sill back in 86-87.
    No civilian security at Ft. Lewis back in 87-89.
    No civilian security at Ft. Campbell back in 90-93.
     
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    On visits there for engineering projects, I saw Edgewood Arsenal go from MPs at the gate and on patrol, to an MP at the gate and contractors on patrol, to an open gate with contractors on patrol. Contractors wore faded blue coveralls, drove lime green vans, and carried revolvers and M16s (or ARs). This progression through the mid to late 1980s.

    A co-worker had been a Navy SP and carried an old M&P to start with and a Ruger Service Six when they came in.
     
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    The Navy was using DOD Rentacops as early as the late 60's. They quit using Marines on Naval installations except for formal occasions and on gates regularly transited by Flag Officers.
    I've wondered many times if the reason to take the Marines off Navy gates was because the Marines started loosing embassy gates at the Dep't of State, and the Navy didn't want to loose any gates.
     
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    In the 1980's army pilots and certain personnel were issued both the S&W and Rugers as standard sidearms. The number of both were about 50-50 and there was no preference shown for one over the other. My side arm as a First Sergeant was a Ruger. which, if the balloon ever did go up, I would throw away and grab the first loose rifle I could find. BTW the Air Force is now useing Contract police now, on , I believe all installations.
     
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    I'm in and out of Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls Montana several times a month and all security and gates is handled by the 341st Missile Security Forces Group made up of several squadrons of regular Air Force personnel.
     
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    I was a Military Police Platoon Leader in the early 80s (3d Armored Division).

    Male MPs were issued 1911A1s and female MPs got S&W or Ruger .38s. The S&Ws (like our 1911A1s) were pretty old and beat up. The Rugers were definitely newer.

    The 38s were carried in a black leather, flap holster, with "US" stamped on the flap.

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    The Marine Corps has been stretched quite thin covering hot spots around the world, so gate keeping duty on naval bases was eliminated. The thinking was rent-a-cops or DOD police were just as capable at checking the ID of drunken sailors as Marines were.
    S/F,
    Greg

    BTW: back in the day, some NIS (before the current NCIS moniker) agents carried stainless steel Speed Six revolvers.
     
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    I've tracked down one of the lanyard equipped service sixes in .38 Special that appears to have been part of a purchase order that was canceled. What I've never seen is an actual US military issue Six. Did they simply destroy these rather than surplus them out?
     
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    Thanks! I'm hoping to get a collection of anachronistic military firearms going, from these last revolvers to the last issued bolt action service rifles.
     
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    In the '82-'84 time frame, 6th Air Cav helicopter pilots at Ft. Hood were issued S&W and Ruger 4" .38 Spl revolvers. Carried them in black leather shoulder holsters. Don't remember the lanyard ring, though there might of been one.
     
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