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Army vet disarmed of his AR and 1911 by cop

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by nathan, Apr 16, 2013.

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  1. nathan

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  2. MErl

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    do we know the reasons why? (did not and generally do not watch videos)
     
  3. CoRoMo

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    Rudely displaying a firearm...

    Vet: Just because a guy's got a firearm, he's dangerous?
    Cop: Yes sir.

    Cop: When you alarm people and they called us then we can come ... and investigate.
    Vet: Okay, did you explain to them what the law is, sir?
    Cop: They don't care what the law is.
     
  4. gym

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    Read the article, the guy is a hero, with the Bronze star.
     
  5. MErl

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    try the same thing in CO and the cop would be in the right. open carry is a very grey area after the recent changes.
     
  6. bmnloader

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    Rudely displying a firearm? what the #$%^ is that?
     
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    News to me. Can you copy/paste the text of the new legislation that speaks toward open carry?

    I know the legislature passed a magazine restriction, universal background checks, and a bill to implement a fee for the universal background checks. Which bill included language about open carry?

    I know of at least one CO police department that disarmed an open carrier, was then sued, lost the suit and paid. In that regard, it doesn't look like trying 'the same thing in CO' means the cop is automatically 'in the right'. Do tell.
     
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    the one that snuck through redefining a firearm to be a deadly weapon regardless of intent or use. HB 1043 pdf Combine that with existing laws regarding deadly weapons and open carry gets very grey.


    Specifically:
    Section (f) there comes down to judgment call and a cop can say "Tell it to the Judge." If there was a MWAG call, there was alarm. Was that alarm calculated, well that's the judgement call.

    There are probably more areas in the code as well. That little redefinition had broad effects.




    As for the OP, looks like he was open carrying a rifle and got a MWAG call. This evolved into contempt of cop which not too surprisingly led to more issues.
     
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    We aren't the enemy, we are the citizens that the laws were written to protect. In times of strife, you can't suddenly decide that you chose to make up your own interpretation of the law. the cop acted as he was "large and in charge", and violated the laws of the state or city, he is employed by.
    As long as the soldier was within his legal right to own and carry those weapons, the cop is wrong, and should be sued and reprimanded for excessive use of force, and illegally detaining a lawful citizen.
     
  10. Oklacoyotekiller

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    This is scary. If it can happen in Tx, it can happen anywhere. Goes to show not all conspiracy theories are theories.
     
  11. CoRoMo

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    It looks like it bans open carry.
     
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    You know, I do my best to defend police officers on here. But sometimes......Somethings are just indefensible. I hope he loses his commission over this.
     
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    Can someone cut & paste the Texas statute(s)?
     
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    I hope the guy was not doing anything that REALLY violated the laws, and that this case goes all the way up, so that it sets the limits on police harassment of people BEARING arms, but not otherwise posing a threat.
     
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    [QUOTEVet: Okay, did you explain to them what the law is, sir?
    Cop: They don't care what the law is. ][/QUOTE]



    Scary statement by the officer.
     
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    [QUOTEVet: Okay, did you explain to them what the law is, sir?
    Cop: They don't care what the law is. ][/QUOTE]

    Correct response: "Shouldn't you?"
     
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    this does not even matter. police are on our side they are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment no cause for alarm
     
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    IMHO: Anybody who carries a firearm outside their clothing, and who is not working on a ranch or other such enterprise, is being extremely foolish. When bad-guys go into a place to rob it and the patrons, who does anybody think will be the FIRST people they shoot? Yes. The ones with the exposed guns.

    So, keep your hardware hidden. Then, you can give the bad-guys a nasty surprise when they discover that they are not the only ones with a gun.
     
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    Being a retired Police Officer, and noting a Sergeant at the scene, I would definitely suggest that Grisham had a huge civil suit handed to him. Unlawful detention, unlawful arrest, emotional distress, harrassment under color of authority, just to mention a few.
     
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    Im pretty sure open carry is illegal in texas.
     
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    So... the bad guys can always, immediately, and discernibly notice an openly carried firearm on a person? Or is it that open carriers are always standing in the right position, right up front, at the entrance where the bad guys come in?

    The guy carrying openly is never out of view, or his sidearm is on the other side of his body from the bad guys?
     
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    In Texas its illegal to expose firearms even in the country unless you re in a private land. But ouside the fenceline and in public roads , that is a no no.
    I guess its now the discretion of the cop to take it from there if you resist to obey their instructions. Its quite tricky from then on.

    The best thing to do if you are armed in open country is to act in an unaggressive manner in the presence of LEOs. Seasoned cops and sheriffs are sometimes leery of people with guns. Its good this incident was recorded on video
     
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    From what I understood they were in a rural area where their hike was beginning, and vicious animals were known to roam.:confused:
     
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    Unfortunately a law suite willnot do much good! The LEO s are protected by the law & a insurance company will pay! The police are exempt from prosecution! I have had to take a similar matter to federal court! Only I was inside my home .The LEO who disarmed me & entered my home without a warrant or probable cause told me "It was the law of officer safety that let him violate my rights"! Don't look for justice! It left along time ago!
     
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