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Army vet disarmed of his AR and 1911 by cop

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by nathan, Apr 16, 2013.

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  1. zxcvbob

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    Handguns. I'm pretty sure open carry of a rifle is perfectly legal unless you are deliberately disturbing the peace with it. (But it's been quite a few years since I lived there.)

    From what I've read, THE KID should press charges for false arrest.
     
  2. CoRoMo

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    I know TexasRifleman noted many times that there is no mention of long guns in Texas' prohibition on open carry, but here's the statutes themselves.
     
  3. r1derbike

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    He certainly was displaying (it could be seen) the firearm, albeit not rudely. All the cops seemed to be on the same page about how he was being "handled".

    It's too bad he didn't have the rifle in a small zip cover or something, slung next to or across his backpack. If someone called then, I suppose they would have charged him with illegal concealment of a firearm, or something.

    I hope he gets his weapons back after the trial, and doesn't lose his carry permit.

    What next?

    Have a flat: charged with failure to maintain proper pneumatic pressure within a pressure vessel.

    Battery dead: charged with failure to maintain proper electrical potential within a vehicular lighting/charging system.

    Relieving yourself in the woods, caught by a spy satellite: Rudely emptying a personal bladder system, upsetting a delicate eco system, and willfully damaging beneficial ground cover.

    I hope those cops are reprimanded, but it will be found they did nothing wrong.

    We didn't get to see the whole video, but I wonder if anything would have been done if he had been carrying any other longarm, besides his EBR?

    No open carry in TX, but this could have been handled better.
     
  4. blakeci

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    name a SINGLE reported case.... back up your claim. You act like it happens all the time

    Why do people feel the need to make up scenarios that either don't happen at all, or happen very, very, very rarely


    but I can cite a case off the top of my head where an open carrier (of a large single action revolver) took down a perp who pulled a gun on a cashier at a gas station that the open carrier was standing in line to pay
     
  5. Double Naught Spy

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    What is missing from the videos is what happened BEFOREHAND.
    http://www.kcentv.com/story/21860185/local-soldier-says-police-violated-his-guns-rights

    According to the police, he didn't comply with their instructions. So apparently what transpires in the videos is what happened AFTER that point.

    Most of the outrage is fluff. It does not matter that Grisham was military, a hero, or not. There are quite a few military vets in prison, cops and judges as well. That sort of information is not relevant to the event at hand. If rights were violated, it doesn't matter if he is a hero or a regular citizen, rights should not be violated. There is nothing I see in the law or Constitution about hero status putting a person above the law, or below it.
     
  6. krupparms

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    How is most of this outrage fluff? Military hero or just John Q. Citizen his rights were violated! You are right about his military status, it doesn't matter! HIS CIVIL RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED! RIGHT IN FRONT OF A TROOP OF BOY SCOUTS! WHAT DOES THAT TEACH THEM ABOUT OUR CONSTITUTION & OUR CIVIL RIGHTS?
     
  7. slamfirev10

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    wow!

    read all the posts 1st then watched the vid

    it (the vid) just made me angry....i bet the citizen is being flooded with calls from plaintiff's attorneys
     
  8. HOOfan_1

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    "just cause a guy has a gun he's dangerous"

    "yes sir"

    "then kindly explain to me why you are allowed to tote around a gun"

    disgraceful..hope those cops are fired...hope that guy gets a huge amount in a law suit.
     
  9. Bubba613

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    After reading the article cited I'm still sympathetic to the guy. The charge of "resisting arrest" seems like something made up after the fact. The dept's comments look boilerplate and CYA. It looks from here, without any further evidence, like police misconduct.
     
  10. HOOfan_1

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    Yeah the entire "tell it to the judge" thing gets old after a while. We shouldn't have to be arrested, have our property seized and hire a lawyer in order to protect our rights....
     
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    Actually Bubba, I am as well. But don't think his story is unbiased and actually believe he is hyping it...which is a shame because it probably is not necessary.
     
  12. nathan

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    The Ft Hood Army Base is closed to Waco and Temple. THe cops and sheriffs of that city deal with all sorts of characters from the military community. They can be callous at times and can overstep their policing mandate.
     
  13. Averageman

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    This is in my AO. Rural area, overun with feral Hogs and some folks have reported a Cougar in the area.
    I don't blame him for escorting his Son with a long gun in that area. I don't see anything he did as harmful. The boy needed a 10 mile hike for a merit badge, you bet I am going to be with him.
    That being said I think I would have personally handled it differently. Why not drop and pocket the mag and clear the weapon and then move forward to speak to the officer?

    Temple Texas Police aren't exactly over reactive, but statement like "We dont care what the Law is" and then flagging the back of the guys head while taking his pistol were really telling when it comes to their knowledge of the Law and their general disdane of the public.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/12/p...-video/#ooid=EwNzl3YTpB5twGTGZN5AZZFsb6QzoPhm

    I shoot with his Attorney, he is a good man and will have fun with this I am sure.
     
  14. 12many

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    This kinda stuff happens every day in all levels of government. Lots of bullies in the government who don't follow the rules and try to stick it to the citizens. There are lots of good police and gov. workers too, but lots of bad ones too. It has always been that way.

    What happens next is very important and determines where we go as a society. Is the police officer demoted, fired, promoted, re-trained, or ignored so it can happen again?
     
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    I don't know exactly what happened, but some of the things said by the LEO's would have me believe that they overreacted and may have stepped in it. Then they charged him with resisting arrest. Then they dropped that charge and charge him with interfering with a peace officer.

    With all of that said, the part that angers me the most is this.

    I would be irate and want heads to roll. It is one thing to violate my rights, but to violate my kid's rights. BS
     
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    This reminds me of a time when I was shooting on county land across a river (which I learned was illegal because it was a right of way, not to mention I didn't own the land). A sheriff pulled up, and I slowly approached him with a holstered Glock 17. I greeted him in a polite and professional manner, and removed my sunglasses and he informed me that he was going to need to take my weapon. I calmly positioned myself so that he could easily remove my pistol from its holster. From there he informed me that what I was doing was illegal. We had a nice chat about Glocks and he returned my pistol and we both went on our ways.

    It was not legal for me to open carry like I was doing, and it was not legal for me to discharge a firearm. I could also have been said to be littering. However, by setting my pride aside and communicating in a respectful manner, I was able to defuse any conflict before it started. Now, maybe I got lucky and maybe this guy got unlucky and it certainly seems like these police officers are out of line, but when you raise your voice to them it is only going to strengthen their resolve to detain you. The bozos out there that yell at the police and argue with them are a dime a dozen, and it would behoove anyone to behaviorally distance themselves from this group as much as possible. I've never seen someone argue their way out of an arrest. That said, I hope that the police in this area learn a lesson, and that this man is compensated for his troubles.
     
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    So questioning the kid without parental consent... what's the law in Texas say on that?

    If they're animals like a cougar in the area I don't blame him for being armed. It's more alarming that we can let people push others around with a call. He's got a two mile area for a guess on who called... I'd get new neighbors or coral that cougar their way. :evil:
     
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    This is part of the reason why I look at Texas in the light of an anti-2A state. Texas does not stand for 2nd amendment rights.
     
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    Well...........being that Disorderly Conduct in Texas includes "displays a firearm...... in a manner calculated to cause alarm" IS THE LAW, the cop may be correct.

    If I see a guy in camo walking down a country road with a shotgun over his shoulder.....no problem.

    If I see a guy walking down a city street in a tactical vest with an AR....your damned right I'm alarmed.

    Sgt Grisham failed to understand that Texas law regarding open carry of firearms is poorly written and does not provide him with the free pass he thinks it does.

    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.42.htm

     
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    Tom, you obviously know way more than I do on Texas law, but that is a ridiculous law.

    Calculated???? By who???? 100 people and you have 100 different calculations. Seems as is they wrote that law so they could basically arrest anyone for open carrying.
     
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    AT, the law was just changed in CO to be similar for exactly that reason. The pols in power didn't like open carry and saw a very simple way to sneak in a block.

    Someone was alarmed if they got the call. At that point it is a judgment of the cop as to what was intended.
     
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    The guy is less than stellar from the other stuff I've read about him. Basically a FOBBIT who got sent home early. You draw your own conclusions.
     
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    M/Sgt. Grisham is not new to controversy. Grisham had a big spat with the Huntsville, AL. school board over school uniforms. Some of his blogs got Grisham in trouble with the US Army. Grisham blames the school board for his troubles with the US Army.

    This M/Sgt. Grisham story is all over the web. Every time i read it i'm reminded of the guy in TN who painted his Draco orange and carried it openly in a park.

    http://www.armytimes.com/article/20...80301/The-rise-and-fall-of-a-military-blogger

    BTW: i'm a serious hunter of wild hogs. Most of my hog hunting is done alone with a muzzleloader. At age 74 i'm not terrified of hogs despite the fact a few have charged me. Killed a cougar with my muzzleloader while tracking a wounded hog.

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    The difference between his situation and yours was that what he was doing is legal. You were doing illegal activities.

    If I'm doing something that's within the law, I'm not going to stop because some idiot either doesn't know the law, or doesn't like what I'm doing.
     
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