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Arrests-Guns & Meth-Denver

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 22-rimfire, Aug 26, 2008.

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  1. 22-rimfire

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    Three men arrested in Aurora, Colo., on methamphetamine and firearms charges may have been plotting to assassinate Barack Obama, FBI authorities told FOX News late Monday, although local officials are still pondering the intent of the suspects.

    Aurora Police Detective Marcus Dudley identified Tharin Gartrell, 28, as one suspect pulled over for a routine traffic stop Sunday and found to be wanted on numerous warrants. Two rifles, including a sniper rifle, and methamphetamines were found in the car.

    KCNC in Denver reported that Gartrell led police to a hotel in Glendale, where a second man, who police did not identify, tried to jump out a six-story window. He landed on an awning and took off, but broke his ankle. He was eventually taken into custody and a third man was also arrested.

    The men may have ties to Sons of Silence, an outlaw biker group, and are believed to have connections with white supremacists. Federal sources said this incident may have had more to do with methamphetamine than with any plot to assassinate Obama, but local police did not say why they connected the men to the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

    Federal officials said verbal threats against Obama were made, but were not considered credible.

    “This is a methamphetamine and firearms case that arose from a traffic stop made by an Aurora Police officer,” said Paul Bresson, an FBI national spokesman assigned to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this week. “Firearms and methamphetamine were seized and a number of individuals are in state custody. The matter continues to be under investigation. We’ll provide more information as it becomes available.”

    “It could also turn out that these were nothing but a bunch of knuckleheads, meth heads,” a U.S. government official said.

    Gartrell was being held at the Arapahoe County jail on $50,000 bail on a felony charge of special offender, drug violations. The jail said he did not have a lawyer yet but was due in court Thursday.

    U.S. Attorney Troy Eid said in a statement that federal charges were anticipated. Eid did not elaborate, but officials with the FBI; Secret Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and Aurora police set a news conference for Tuesday afternoon.

    Aurora is located about 25 minutes from Denver.

    FOX News’ Ian McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    Link: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-possible-plot/


    Fox News has been talking about it. I mostly wanted to get the story out to other THR folks rather than commenting on it at this time. But the whole thing has a bad smell to it.
     
  2. ATAShooter

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    See, It's yahoo idiots like these morons that is going to get the Anti's panties in a wad. I tell you one thing, my hat is off to the Secret Service as they are going to have their hands full if Obama gets elected. I think individual idiots like these jerks are going to keep them on their toes constantly, and will give Anti's and liberals a load of ammo against the Armed American Citizen. From cases like this, they will try to legislate some gun control laws. :cuss:
     
  3. TallPine

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    Must have been a slow news day :rolleyes:

    Mountain, meet molehill.
     
  4. Happiness Is A Warm Gun

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    I want to see this "sniper rifle". 2:1 odds say it is a hunting rifle that is:
    a) black in color (scariest color and also completely TACTICAL)
    b) has a "scary snipery looking scope" (as in what reporter imagines what a sniper scope looks like)
    c) is "automatic bullet-spraying death machine" as in semi-auto,
    d) is ARMOR PIERCING (because it can penetrate a vest designed to stop pistol rounds)
    e) all of the above.
     
  5. Drgong

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    This reminds me that I MUST tape a steak knife to my all black autoloading savage .22 to make it into a EBR.
     
  6. TexasRifleman

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    Or they will make up threats where there are none simply because of the perception an Obama president would be "more of a target".

    These idiots were not planning on killing anything except more of their own brain cells but anything gun related in Colorado this week is an "assassination attempt" on someone.....
     
  7. Robert

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    I wanna see the sight picture that tweeker is going to have... He would be lucky to hit the ground.
     
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    Other stories claimed one of the guys confessed they were going to shoot from a high vantage point at about 750 yards out. CBS Link
     
  9. 22-rimfire

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    Believe it or not, methamphetamine would probably enhance a shooters ability to make a long shot.
     
  10. .455_Hunter

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    I am not quite sure what these guys would actually accomplish. A .22-250 is NOT a 750 yd sniper rifle. Yes, it will shoot that far, and yes, it could kill at that distance, but it not what one would choose for a so-called "attempt". To me, it sounds like a group of drugged-up idiots who want attention. Like the law enforcement source said, they doubt this was a credible threat against the candidate. Since at least one of them is already a felon, the gun possession charges are appropriate, and they can go back to being Bubba's friend. Good job to law enforcement!- a definite improvement in judgment over the incident with hunter at the downtown hotel.
     
  11. shooting4life

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    I agree
     
  12. Jeff White

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    Not a credible threat

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92Q37AG1&show_article=1
     
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    That man was subsequently awarded a silver medal in the Tweaker Olympics.

    YA THINK!? Gee, I've never known meth heads to come up with OUTLANDISH PLOTS and get PARANOID.
     
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    We have the story of the guy showing his gun to Biden and calling it his baby. Where was the outcry and the arrest but a guy carrying cased guns gets arrested. Now meth heads with plans to take a 750 yard shot from a high vantage point to shoot Obama. Why do I get the idea there has been some staging and posturing going on here. There isn't any drama at the convention and all of a sudden a bunch of gun guys are showing up with guns in the proximity of 2 anti-gun candidates. Anybody think a couple of these stories are cooked besides me.
     
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    I heard this when it first broke on TV, the reporter actually said:

    "...found 2 rifles and a High-Powered Scope..." :rolleyes:

    They were obviously trying to spin a routine bust of lowlife meth dealers into a national story about NAZI assassins... :rolleyes:
     
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    Ok, just curious, how far do I have to stay from Denver to not be considered a threat? I was thinking of going to the range here in Houston Texas on Thursday with a legitimate long range target rifle (Rem PSS in .300 Win Mag.) and don't want to be arrested and have my face all over the news.
     
  17. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    That makes me laugh because that's exactly what a lot of law enforcement officials do when they try to ascribe an intent or motive to provable objective actions - they "ponder" (i.e. make up) a motive or intent.

    Hey guys, to a journalist or anti (but I repeat myself), a gun does not have to have a black plastic stock in order to be labeled a "sniper rifle". ANY scoped turnbolt (or semi-auto) rifle - in a centerfire round is a "sniper rifle" in the biased parlance of the media and their gun ban agenda.

    So to summarize, to the media, a "sniper rifle" has only 3 necessary components to make it such:
    1. Turnbolt or semi-auto
    2. Centerfire cartridge
    3. Scope

    The size of the round makes no difference; the size and power of the scope makes no difference. This is how they plan to introduce a sweeping ban even more broad than the so-called "assault weapons" bans. That's the next step in Calif, Mass, etc.
     
  18. Hoplophile

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    My god, guns, meth, and BIKERS. The trifecta of ultimate power has been invoked. We are surely doomed. Let's ban guns, meth, and bikes.

    (Note to readers: I'm joking)

    (Second note to readers: Motorcycles are an environmentally friendly, efficient, and stupid fast method of transportation. Buy one!)
     
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    Yeah, that's the way to run an assasination conspiracy - DUI at 1.30am ... :rolleyes:
     
  20. K-Romulus

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    An article I found said the only scope was on a .22 rifle most likely a 10-22. . . "750 yard shot" indeed . . .

    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Conventions/story?id=5657439&page=1
     
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    Wow, I know of maybe one place that has an overlook into Invesco Field and my guess is it will have enough feds on it to start it's own country.

    If they were going to take the shot in the arena.... I wonder how they were going to get the equipment in?

    "Uh... yeah, we are with the band... ya know"
     
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    I saw yesterday where no charges were filed against these goofballs. I hope they are charged. Stolen guns and meth, prior felony charges, admit a plot in Denver.
    Meanwhile, the guy who walked in to the hotel with hunting rifles in gun cases attempting to check in, was sitting in jail.
    Am I the only one who sees this as odd?
     
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    Hi Acera,

    Truthfully I'm concern my Dad will use his 50 cal Barrett to kill a coyote on Indiana and be considered a suspect. It's a toss up who is more paranoid, demoncrats or methheads.

    Selena
     
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    These dopes will make all white gun owners look bad IMHO
     
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