Arsenal double barrel 1911

[jerkface11]

I was watching youtube videos of the double 1911 and according to the firearms blog it will fire both barrels if you only pull one trigger. How does that not count as a machinegun? Here is the video he talks about it firing from one trigger at the 9:40 point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_omhPXbKT8

 

[MAKster]

It has two triggers so there is still only one bullet fired per trigger pull. It is basically two separate pistols combined.

 

[jerkface11]

As stated in the video t will fire both barrels of you pull one trigger.

 

[jmorris]

If I were going to make it I would have a letter first.

Sounds like a 2 projectile volley gun, this one does 3 with one pull.



Reason I would want a letter would be because "more than one shot" we know doesn't mean more than one projectile per trigger pull or we couldn't own shotguns.

One trigger pull results in one "firing" of the pistol and must be reset to repeat despite it being auto loading, might make it OK. They did approve the mini 14 two shots per pull (first on pull, second on release). They don't get into specifics like "activate a single powder charge or priming device".

The number to the NFA is 304-616-4500 if you want to ask a "specialist" Monday.

 

[USAF_Vet]

One on pull, one on release... I just saw a review on Military Arms Channel of a new binary trigger system for the AR that does just that. Also has a regular semi auto position selector switch. Interesting function.


I wondered about the dual 1911 myself. Not interested in buying one, but was curious as to why it was not considered a machine gun. It has to fire both barrels at once, with a solid single trigger that trips two separate sears.

 

[Drail]

And the main problem they are having with it is ensuring that both bullets leave the muzzles at exactly the same time. If one bullet is even a tiny bit ahead of the other one the muzzle blast of the first bullet will push the second bullet off axis. Jerry Miculek has a video on Youtube firing this gun with an extreme slow mo camera and you can clearly see that one bullet is very slightly ahead of the other. It's a tough trick to pull off. Both hammers and both firing pins have to be the exact same weight with the exact same spring tension driving them or one bullet will lead the other. Achieving THAT really IS rocket science with two ignition systems, two cartridges and two barrels. The other problem is that the two bullets will only impact on one point at one distance - just like a double barreled shotgun or rifle which are "regulated" at one distance. As far as how the Fed. Govt. "defines" this weapon - they can classify it any way they want. And they are anti gun idiots - and they make the rules.

 

[joem1945]

OH, I like that pistol in the pic.

 

[barnbwt]

*sigh* it's not a machinegun because the ATF says so. That's it.

There was a letter last year or so, which stated (it cannot be stressed enough that these letters are non-binding) that a single trigger could fire five AR barrels (if such a design were made), or five triggers could each fire a single barrel in succession. 'One bullet per barrel per action of the trigger' seems to be the default position these days, unless your design seems too controllable in rapid fire (or the Bureau hates you). In which case they'll basically lie to prevent your design from coming to market. This is basically the only way cheap SxS's can be tolerated, since even single trigger models are notorious for doubling.

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