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Arsenal now defined as numerous magazines

Discussion in 'Legal' started by feedthehogs, Apr 19, 2007.

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  1. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Member

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18209746/

    Cho prepared in advance for rampage
    Killer amassed arsenal, practiced shooting for at least a month


    NEW YORK - We're getting a better picture of just how heavily armed Cho Seung-Hui was — a further sign of how much he had done in advance of the shootings to prepare himself for his rampage.

    Virginia State Police say they're nearly done with their on-scene investigation at Virginia Tech. But inside the classroom building, investigators say they found a surprising number of handgun magazines, or clips — 17. Some, officials say, were high-capacity magazines that hold 33 rounds. That means, investigators say, that Cho may have fired at least 200 times during his killing spree on Monday.

    In the photos Cho sent to NBC, he showed some of his ammunition — hollow-point rounds, purchased, officials say, in the weeks before the shootings. Law enforcement officials say hollow-points are generally considered more lethal.

    Joseph Vince, a retired ATF agent, agrees.

    "It's not something that you would need for home protection, because what you are trying to do is eliminate an immediate threat," Vince says. "The idea of killing is what this ammunition portrays to me."

    Investigators also say Cho practiced shooting at a firing range in Roanoke, about 40 miles from the campus, in mid-March.

    As for the video clips Cho sent NBC, with his rambling rants, a Virginia State Police official on Thursday said he's disappointed that NBC News chose to broadcast some of Cho's words.

    "Virginia Tech families endured, and indeed, the world has endured, a view of life that few of us should or would ever have to endure," said Virginia State Police Officer Steve Flaherty.

    But NBC News says only a small portion of the material was broadcast.

    "People asked all week long what was inside the mind of this killer and what was he thinking, what led him to do this," NBC News President Steve Capus said. "When that material landed on our doorstep here, I thought we had an obligation."

    A further insight into Cho's background comes from high school classmates in suburban Washington who say he was bullied and laughed at over his Korean accent and shyness. When called on in class, they say, he would hang his head in silence.

    Thursday, Virginia Tech officials said they would honor the students killed Monday by giving them college degrees posthumously, to be awarded at commencement in May.

    © 2007 MSNBC Interactive


    Tell us Joe, what would you rather have in your gun when confronting an
    armed intruder kicking down your door?

    Where do they get these morons from?
     
  2. ingram

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    Oh man... he is implying we should shoot to wound..... thats opening up a whole legal can of worms....
     
  3. torpid

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    I wonder what he did during his ATF career?
     
  4. Sindawe

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    Probably flew a desk, with his only time behind a weapon being when he had to qualify on the range.

    Yes, lets talk to a TAX AGENT for expertise on firearms. :banghead:
     
  5. ATW525

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    Persecuted law abiding gun owners.
     
  6. Elza

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    Simple logic proves it.

    Hollow point = killer.
    Cops use hollow points.
    Therefore, cops = killers.

    I'm glad agent Vince clarified this for me.
     
  7. jad0110

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    This story aired tonight on NBC Nightly News. My email may not be perfect, but it's the best I could do in a 10 minutes:

    EDIT: For those interested in clogging up NBC's email, here their address: nightly@nbc.news :evil: :D

    me
     
  8. Leanwolf

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    "Joseph Vince, a retired ATF agent, agrees."


    Doesn't that tell you all you need to know about that government teat sucking leech who is nothing more than just another wannabee tyrant?

    L.W.
     
  9. Titan6

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    Willful ignorance. Spreading lies. Soon the information propagandits won't be able to get away with this garbage.

    Whoa big guy, you might want to pull that one back. There is tons of evidence to support hollow points are more deadly. That is why nearly every state will not let you hunt large game with solid point round nose bullets. Most states you must use hollow points or soft points. You need something that will provide rapid expansion to create a large wound channel.
     
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    guess he must have worked in the tobacco wing, I always thought that you want to eliminate an immediate threat. I would love to hear what he thinks I NEED for home protection, maybe a bar of soap in a sock, a rubber band, 3 feet of personal space perhaps.
     
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    Titan6,

    I looked down at my taskbar and noticed that I never sent the email.

    If you have a chance, please PM me some more info on HP "deadliness" vs other types of rounds. I had always seen claims that they weren't any deadlier (at least on upright bipedals).

    I am not questioning the info you put forth about use of HP ammo in hunting, I'm just always seeking to learn more.

    Thanks for the input!
     
  12. gdvan01

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    Made us wait forever to get our C&R's.

    :D
     
  13. Caimlas

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    &$^#!

    Yeah, and federal agents shouldn't carry JHPs either, then, should they? Yes? Ah, so we mere civilians aren't entitled to the same rights as 'professionals', I guess.

    And, I'm sorry, but if the guy coming at me is dead, then the threat is effectively eliminated. The same can not be said for someone slowly bleeding out on my floor, or just as likely, someone partially incapacitated and now angry coming at me still. This is a still a situation of immediate threat if he is armed.
     
  14. ConfuseUs

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    OK, so now I know not to use the JHPs in my 9mm for home defense. Instead I will use .30-06 ball ammo and an M1 Garand for self defense. Thanks for clearing that up for me Mr Vince. I'm sure my neighbors will thank you too in the event I need to defend myself. [/sarcasm]
     
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    So because I go shooting every weekend, have multiple rounds of surplus ammunition, and reload my ammo I'm "preparing"? I don't like being off-handedly grouped with this guy
     
  17. LAR-15

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    Looks like he had a mixture of magazines of various capacities.

    Looks like he bought whatever Glock mags for his gun he could get
     
  18. Deanimator

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    You have to understand his ignorance regarding firearms and ammunition. He was after all a BATFE agent...
     
  19. Thin Black Line

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    You know I'm going to have to actually count my mags for the ol' Sig226.
    Let's see there's the loaded ones I have out in the vehicle, the empty ones
    still in the vehicle from my last trip to the range, there's the loaded ones
    I have for homeD, there's the unloaded unopened fact mags in the safe,
    there's the heavily used ones in the tub-o-mixed-mags......

    Yeah, I'll take the 5th on that whole Arsenal thing if you don't mind. Please,
    no water-boarding to pry that answer loose from me....
     
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    A good reply to 'ol Joe would be "So what do YOU carry? " then have him show all .
     
  21. MudPuppy

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    Do LEOs not use Hollow Points?
     
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    If indeed that monster fired 200 shots, he must not have really prepared or practiced that much if he only killed 33 people :rolleyes:
     
  23. sturmruger

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    If 17 is an arsenal I wonder what they would call my collection!!! I am sure I have over 75 mags for all of my differant guns. I have close to 30 mags just for my XDs.
     
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    Apparently Mr. Vince thinks that if he had fired hundreds of rounds of ball ammunition into innocent unarmed people it would have meant he wasn't trying to kill them.
     
  25. Bacchus

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    I like the idea of an e-mail correcting facts, but you may want to reword the part about what law enforcement and "civilians" do--LE are civilians too.
     
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