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Article on AK-9

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by fletcher, Aug 9, 2007.

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  1. fletcher

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    Just saw this one on Yahoo news:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070809/lf_afp/russiaarmsindustry_070809141955

    I love the last paragraph, although my firearms will be a little forceful deterring things if need be ;)
     
  2. Dorryn

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    Since when is 9mm "large", and since when does a silencer mean you "will not be heard"?
     
  3. fletcher

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    It mentioned penetrating vests - I wonder if they made a 9mm rifle round, which compared to other rifle rounds would be relatively large (as opposed to 7.62, 5.56, etc.).
     
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    It is 9x39, and in the context of rifle bullets. It is a large diamater, .355 instead of .311. (at least I think it is .355, it isn't like we see a lot of 9x39 over here). It is heavier than the standard 7.62, and a lot heavier than 5.45.

    If I recall correctly, they've got two loadings, one subsonic, one supersonic. I don't know the FPS of either though.

    The subsonic load is the same kind of idea as the US .300 Whisper. If you're shooting at somebody a hundred meters away, all they're gonna hear is a sound like somebody hitting a watermelon with a bat when the bullet impacts their buddy.
     
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    I wonder why they created this device? Surely a Vintorez which an extended magazine (30 or 40 rounds, instead of 10 or 20), or a drum mag would surely fill this niche. Of course the Vintorez has an expensive forged/milled receiver, and is not suitable for mass production. But they're still the greatest mid-range weapon I can think of (or maybe the AS VAL is, they're quite similar, though the Val needs to be able to take a PSOP, like the VSS (vintorez)!).
     
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    The shell casing in the photo in the article is definitely NOT a rifle round. Either a 9x19 NATO or 9x18 Makarov.
     
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    The rifle in the photo is a Bison, not whatever this AK-9 thing is. I got a feeling that the "AK-9" is usually called something else.

    Wish Max would pop in here...
     
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    Ok, who summoned me? :evil:

    From what i know, the AK-9 is an AK-104 derivative chambered for 9x39 subsonic AP ammunition. It is an attempt by IZhMASH to compete with cheaper 9A91 assault rifle, and i doubt that it will be able to compete with AS / VSS except for the price - it sure will be much less expensive that those "elite" weapons.
     
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    Ruger came out with a bolt action rifle in 44 mag, I remember seeing they had also developed a model with an intigrally supressed barrel, the intent being with much heavier than normally avaiable 44 cal bullets you had supressed rifle firing a subsonic round with no 'action sound' that had the starting energy and ballistic co-efficient to be a wonderful 100 yard gun. Of course a standard 44 mag in a carbine has a pretty rainbow trajectory, that thing probably was a lot closer to a shotgun slug in trajectory, but still a lot more lethal beyond 25 yards than a supressed 9mm subgun or what have you.


    Of course I wondered about getting the heaviest standard 44 cal bullet with a 44 special style powder loading, and if that would be below the speed of sound
     
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