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As An Instructor, I Hate Instructors.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PTT, Apr 20, 2011.

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  1. PTT

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    I started getting into instruction last year. Mostly CCW stuff, but a few other odds and ends. The biggest initial challenge, like in any business, is finding customers. Luckily I'm trained in marketing, so that wasn't a huge deal.

    But, once my profile became higher and people started to become aware, it wasn't long until the instructors started looking to play dirty.

    First, a guy came along calling and harassing me pretending to be a student. I have a law enforcement background, and I am very good with Google. It didn't take long to find out it was another instructor. He convinced the state concealed carry unit to change one of their policies to kick a leg from under my proverbial stool on one of my classes, and then started trying to get an affiliated gun shop to drop me. I called him up, told him I knew what he was up to, and that he should leave me the hell alone.

    He told me it was instructors like me who would eventually lead the state to constitutional carry, and that I'm a danger to his children, and a bunch of other bunk arguments.

    So then I start getting my posts on craigslist flagged and deleted. After several reposts, they start not getting flagged, but somebody else starts making rude comments on my blog posts. I don't know what this guy was thinking--my site requires somebody to provide a valid e-mail address to post comments, and he used his work e-mail. Yet another instructor harassing me.

    Except this guy's a police chief for the local university where guns are banned except in cars...unless you're there to take his class on the weekend.

    Basically, out of all this and reading elsewhere, I've figured out that there are two kinds of instructors: the ones who respect their students' rights and the ones who don't.

    I'll readily admit that I instruct for the money, but I charge far less than my competitors and work in my spare time to expand their rights--even when it might financially harm me as a CCW instructor. I like seeing people improve their self-defense skills and like helping people overcome a roadblock the state has placed in the way of exercising their natural rights.

    Basically my five-year goal is to have CCW stuff only be a small side aspect of my business. Then when my state gets constitutional carry I won't be hurting. And the whole time I'm working politically to make it happen because I want people to be free. I don't want to spend my whole life participating in state racketeering schemes.

    But these other guys and gals are all friends with each other and are engaging in price fixing. They work hard to pound anybody into the ground who doesn't toe to their line. They probably don't even realize they're doing what they are doing...they are so loaded up with justifications and defense mechanisms that they think they're on some sort of righteous crusade against evil cheap instructors who will destroy the indispensable concealed carry industry.

    Sorry for the long rant, but I need to get this stuff off my chest. These jerks are really starting to stress me out.
     
  2. General Geoff

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    That's all that needs to be known. These other instructors are apparently pro-tyranny, as long as they get a cut of the pie.


    Disgusting that we have such jackals among us.
     
  3. Shadow 7D

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    Fair is Fair, especially in Love and War

    So make friends with the local second amendment network (pink guns, 2nd amendment task force, 2nd amnd sisters etc.)

    And then document, document document, and post it all in the blog section of your site,
    Parallel Orson Wells, and make an 'Animal Farm' themed blog about how everybody is equal and some are more equal, and name the University chief (sorry, no love of the fuzzy fuz) as a large pig who works as the local school cop.

    Just write a nice interesting blog, update it with the latest, If they threaten to sue, just remind them that the have to Identify who they are in the story and then say how it's not true, and you will make sure their name is far and wide.

    If anybody asks you, just say that you have the opinion that Constitutional carry should be the norm, and they feel threatened. Also, the local 2nd amendment groups tend to have an attorney that is friendly and understanding, see if they would be kind enough to write a cease and desist letter, for the Chief, I would CC it to the state AG, ED department etc. making sure they understand what is happening. Corruption and abuse of power is something politicians and their appointees tend to flee from.
     
  4. stickhauler

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    Shadow, George Orwell wrote "Animal Farm", Orsen Wells was an actor. But PTT, I feel your pain. I'm a trucker, and with the class of people who have recently entered my industry, I'm starting to hate truckers more and more each day.
     
  5. danprkr

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    Works that way sometimes in the dance and appliance repair worlds too. Sucks, but some people just can't handle even the thought of competition. Just keep slogging away, and you'll get there. Eventually their tactics will drive their customers away and to you.
     
  6. makarovnik

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    Hire a private investigator; I'm sure there is dirt on this guy. Grind him under your wheels of destruction.
     
  7. mljdeckard

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    I'm in the process of setting up an LLC for instruction and other gun-related services. I'm not in it to make money so much as to be able to deduct more of my shooting expenses. The main reason I want to instruct is to be able to undo some of the damage and bad info I hear people getting from instructors.
     
  8. earlthegoat2

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    In fact I am quite sure that the road to tyranny will be a hard one just because there are so many who stand to lose so much by going down that road.

    Such is the same with going down the road to freedom.
     
  9. EddieNFL

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    Just as many dealers lamented the sunsetting of the AWB.
     
  10. Hk Dan

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    You might remind themof the legal statute called "tortious interference"
     
  11. Jonah71

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    Could be the main issue is that you're charging less for classes. For some people it's ONLY about the money.
     
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    wow....im surprised you can even look at your self in the mirror.......your actually doing something to further the 2A.......what kind of lowly scum are you!.......


    honestly though......dont let them get to you.....and please dont stoop to their level......if it really gets bad, file a harassment lawsuit.......

    if theyre getting this upset you must be doing something right.....keep up the good work.
     
  13. MattTheHat

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    I'm guessing that has nothing to do with the other instructors. It has to do with the fact that doing so is against their policy, which is certainly their right. In the user agreement, it refers to a page listing prohibited items. The third item on that page is: "Weapons and related items, including but not limited to firearms, disguised, undetectable or switchblade knives, martial arts weapons, scopes, silencers, ammunition, ammunition magazines, BB guns, tear gas or stun guns."

    -Matt
     
  14. PTT

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    Actually, I don't sell any weapons on CL, just classes. People have been doing it locally for years, but suddenly now the flagging started.
     
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    Yes, I realize that. If you read the prohibited items page, though, it prohibits ads for sales or services relating to the prohibited items. A CHL class is a firearms related service, and as such is a prohibited item.

    I'm not saying I like it, but it's their website and their right to prohibit what they wish.


    -Matt
     
  16. One-Time

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    I am not surprised, seems many MG collectors and instructors are all too happy to encourage restrictions or keep restrictions so long as they make or dont lose money on it
     
  17. KodiakBeer

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    Interesting! I live on an island and back when Alaska was still a permit state, there was only one qualified instructor here. Or, more accurately, there was one qualified instructor with access to an indoor range, since he also sat on the board of the local shooting club and kept anyone else from using the facility for training. We have two seasons, the monsoon season and July, so if you don't have an indoor range planning a shoot is problematic.

    In 2002/03 when constitutional carry came up in the legislature, there was only one person barraging the editorial board of the local paper to describe the bloodbath that would ensue should citizens be allowed to carry without paying him first.

    Anyway, I just thought this individual was uniquely hypocritical. I had no idea this was a widespread phenomena.
     
  18. robmkivseries70

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    Hi Kodiak,
    Gotta laugh, my sister was stationed there, at the air station, and is now in Valdez.
    And yes, human nature is what it is.:barf:
    Best,
    Rob
     
  19. Owen Sparks

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    It looks like before long you are going to have to have a law degree to get a CCW.
     
  20. hardluk1

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    We didn't have anyone withn a hours drive for classes for years. Now there a couple guys that are holding classes at there homes in remote areas. They charge way less than a range changes and a over heard the owner whinning about these guys stealing business. Both are in law enforcement and do this as much to help people to keep them from have to drive to the big city. There price allmost half the priceof the range classes and good for them.
     
  21. Ole Coot

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    I don't attempt to teach anything anymore because of all the "instructors" around. Think or steal a few moves, watch a few shooting clips then open your own whatever. Pick a stupid name, Asian usually and rent a spot in a strip mall, get a bunch of colored belts and you are in business. I would never teach anyone today because they think they know more than you. I do well enough to teach SD with several weapons but my approach isn't "politically correct" and I do know what combat is and don't want an internet expert telling me what I am doing wrong. I'm not very encouraging but sounds like this person needs a little training himself. I taught awareness, avoidance first and then attack not defend. Shooting was mostly point shooting from any and every position. Good Luck, hope your experience will be rewarding.
     
  22. Double Naught Spy

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    Well let's help get you through your problem, eh? You have failed to understand your problem and as such have completely miscategorized it and in the process have done a disservice to other instructors.

    From your own works, instructors are not the problem. Jerk competition is your problem. If you are going to advertise in a cheap format such as Craig's List, except that there are shortcomings. Pay for proper advertising elsewhere and the problem will be eliminated.
     
  23. seuadr

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    Ain't that the truth! I work for a local community college and ever other guy in my program doesn't need to be there cause he's got 30 years experience! of course, they look at me all blank faced when i ask them to do the simplest tasks... ;)
     
  24. Rail Driver

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    Yes, people really are foolish enough to attempt to sabotage the competition instead of upping their game. Yes, people are also ignorant enough to believe that just because they may not HAVE to get the training in the future, people will still NEED and WANT the training, and they won't lose out as much as they think.

    Sure they won't have packed CCW permit classes all week, but that will give them time to put on much more in depth and exciting courses for their students. Don't they want to teach more than the same boring stuff over and over?
     
  25. chieftain

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    This ain't about instructors, it's about people.

    There are people of good charactor and there are folks that have weak, little or no charactor, in every field of endevor. Then there are the ignorant and stupid.

    In the end it's life.

    You state that you have a LEO back ground, and can't handle this? If this is the worst you run into, be satisfied.

    Good luck.

    Fred
     
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