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As Much As I Believe In The RKBA, I Don't Think A Firearm Would Have Helped This Time

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Mama06, Mar 10, 2004.

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  1. Mama06

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    A Very Sad Story

    Instead of pasting the entire story that I found, I thought it best to post a link. I don't think even my very awesome .45 would have helped in this situation...and that is really frightening.

    I have a photo posted on the 5th reply to the thread. This woman was TINY!!! And her hands, that were trained to heal, are now rendered useless.
     
  2. Werewolf

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    Seems to me all she'd have to do is take her evidence to the State's Attorney General and the State's Bureau of Investigation (assuming it has one) and have them do their thing.

    If they refuse then a trip to the local FBI and/or Federal Prosecutor would probably get results. The Feds especially like taking down corrupt local officials.

    A Doctor ought to be smart enough to know this.

    I'm not saying it would be easy to bring these scum down but going to the local courts first was not a smart thing to do.
     
  3. Eskimo Jim

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    A gun is never a bad thing to have around within your control.

    I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

    I hope that the scum that did this to the doctor rot.

    -Jim
     
  4. sturmruger

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    That is the most depressing story I have ever heard.
     
  5. natedog

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    No, a gun would not have helped in that situation...You cannot shoot police (even JBTs), even if they are acting unConstitutionally. No one said a gun is a universal ticket to safety.
     
  6. Mama06

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    I agree, Eskimo Jim...it is always better to have a firearm...but unfortunately, it..the tool...would have been useless for the doctor.


    Werewolf, you are right, doctors are generally smart people...but even smart folks can be ignorant of the best way to act legally. Doctors and other healthcare
    professionals are accustomed to going through the 'proper chain of command' in hospitals, perhaps that is why she acted on the local level first.
     
  7. Evil_Ed

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    I don't know what to say... I am completely disgusted by the whole affair. I hope the officers involved suffer severe penalties.

    Shocking stuff...
     
  8. Blain

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    Anyone who tries to inflict serious bodily harm upon me, or my family, is going to be dealt with through the same consequence.
     
  9. Carlos Cabeza

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    Insert movie quote/ Goddamn Missourah scum ! / movie quote off
     
  10. Harry Tuttle

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    we are obviously only seeing one side of this tale

    i'm sure the officers involved have their own version of the events

    i can't see the LEOs involved running her off the road just because she arranged for a prisoner to get hospitalized.

     
  11. MrAcheson

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    Yes we are only seeing one side of the story. On the other hand its a pretty damning side. Even if only a fraction of this stuff is true, then a serious shakedown needs to occur. I don't see a woman maiming herself to bring forward a false court case.

    Hopefully this will be taken care of by the state. Otherwise the formation of a Committee for Public Vigilance might become necessary.
     
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    Doctor who criticized jail's care sentenced in traffic stop

    LEBANON - A doctor who said she feared law enforcement after criticizing a jail's medical care was sentenced to six months in jail for resisting arrest during a traffic stop.Ramona Miller of Versailles also was fined $500 during her Monday court appearance. She was immediately released on $5,000 bond, pending a possible appeal."I think we have to appeal - otherwise I have to go to jail," Miller said. after leaving the jail.

    From the Feb 25 KC Star, page B10

    Obviously a jury found her guilty of resisting arrrest but they dropped the other charges. In MO it is illegal to resist arrest, even an illegal arrest, by LE. With no witnesses other than deputies... whaddyagonnado?
     
  13. PATH

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    Facts should be determined and appropropriate actions taken. We have not heard the LEO side of the issue. Does anyone know where to find the other side of the story?
     
  14. Sindawe

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    Just when reports of JBT running amuk start to into the background tapestry in my head, and I start to look upon police in a nuetral light, I read ANOTHER report of JBT running amuk. :cuss: OK, as natedog stated, one really can not shoot JBT acting unConstitutionally. OK, hit them in court. Oh wait..that does not work too well either most of the time, "official immunity" and all that bunk. So what to do?


    Frankly, I'm in the same camp as Blain. Anybody attempting to or actually serious bodily harm on myself or my loved ones is gonna have a REAL bad day. :fire: Perhaps, if more of the JBT ended up pushing up daisies instead of getting a nod, wink and slap from the courts there would be fewer JBT running amuk. A certain comment made by a Mr. Jefferson 200+ years ago comes to mind.
     
  15. oldfart

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    About forty years ago, when I still had more energy than memories, I went on a series of backpacking trips into the Sierra Nevada mountains with some friends. One such trip took us over an eleven thousand foot pass and down to a small lake that was full of hungry trout. We camped there for several days, living on freeze-dried food fortified with fresh trout.

    We cooked over an open fire made from dead pine scrub that had lived briefly in cracks in the rocky landscape, fallen and dried in the thin mountain air. That wood was full of resin and burned both hot and smoky. In a short time we all smelled from the fire and from our sweaty exertions. Since it was a problem we all shared, none of us was offended by the odor emanating from the others.

    One day though, a large group of campers came through. Among them were several rather pretty young women. We decided to take baths in an attempt to improve our images. We found a small pond of clear water among the rocks and decided to make it our bathtub. We knew the water would be cold because there was a snowdrift on the shaded side, still dripping ice water into the pool. _ We took our clothes off and perched, like a trio of pelicans on a dock rail, eyeing the water and each waiting for someone else to make a move first.

    Finally one made the leap and landed with a great splash. He immediately came up and with eyes as big as saucers, said, "Come on in. It isn't too bad!"

    I knew he was lying, but I went in anyhow and was rewarded with the most intensely cold water I could ever remember. It can best be described as 'cold enough to give me two belly-buttons.' I washed very fast. Our third member hit the water and climbed out so fast, I'm not sure to this day he even got wet.

    The point of all this is to compare us "patriots" to the pelican-like behavior of myself and my friends. We all know what has to be done to make our runaway government take us seriously, yet we're all waiting for someone else to take the first step. Then, when someone does take that step, we stand back, watching to see if he's successful. Of course, he never is, because he has been left alone by all his friends, all his relatives and anyone else who might be able to share his burden.

    I'm no different either. I didn't show up at Ruby Ridge or Waco. I did go to Klamath Falls, but I left my rifle in the car and maintained a pretty low profile. I was waiting for someone else to take the plunge first.

    Are we all going to be the same way; waiting and watching while a few of us either gain enough courage or lose enough patience to finally make a lonely, losing stand against tyranny? Will we, after hearing of still another patriot getting killed or imprisoned, quietly curtail our internet activity, hoping Big Brother will ignore us? Maybe we'll let our membership in the NRA or GOA lapse-- that'll show we're really behind the government, won't it? Maybe we can flood their offices with e-mail or tie up their phone lines-- Boy! That'll get 'em!

    Many of us use quotes from the founders as 'sig lines' in our posts. They're good and they make good points. I think a quote from a German Minister by the name of Martin Neimoller is best though. We are being split away from our friends, relatives and supporters. One by one, like fat steers, we're being cut off from the rest of the herd and led to slaughter.
     
  16. boofus

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    If some powermonger cop decides to make me a victim, I'll have no qualms about unloading my FiveseveN on him. The badge doesn't automatically make him right no matter what he does. I just need to find someone that can sell me that FN wonder ammo now. :scrutiny:

    There is currently a thread on www.packing.org where someone mailed the ATF and asked if the FiveseveN and its ammunition were really illegal for civvies to own.

    Here's the surprise... The pistol is civilian legal with 10 round magazines and all types of ammunition are legal to possess! Even the SS190 steel tipped AP ammo. You just can't import it, manufacture it, or use it in a crime. But possession and use in self defense is apparently legal! So if you can get a FFL to import it and sell it to you, you are not breaking the law!
     
  17. Mama06

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    Here are some other links:

    Doctor vs. deputies: dispute over violent arrest


    Springfield doctor faces trial, says deputies were out to get her


    Deputies beat me, says doctor facing traffic trial

    Doctor a victim of sheriff's anger


    From what I can tell, those who actually know this doctor believe her. She has no history of problems with the law, she filed charges against the sheriff's dept. because an inmate wasn't receiving proper care, and there was no way on God's green earth the the injuries and damage to her vehicle could have been necessary to get a 110 pound woman subdued (IMHO).

    I'm having a difficult time finding the other half of the story...sorry...I tried.
     
  18. Ex-Doc

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    This looks more like an "A-Team" storyline than the real truth. The feact that she has a web site described as the "truth" about the incident leads me to believe she is looney. First she may not be a "real" doctor ie- M.D., which still doesn't give the right to resist. She sounds more like an O.D. that would have perscribed aroma therapy, massages and such for the prisoner. I'd like to see any dash cam footage before I bash the LEO's for dealing with a possible paranoid schyzoid like this one.....
     
  19. cordex

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    Mama's first article has a lot of info from the cop's side.

    Presented without comment from http://www.drmillertruth.org/Newspa...ield_News_Leader_8-17_Doctor_vs_deputies.html

     
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    From the same article:
     
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    Now there's a bright statement, avocating the murder of a peace officer.

    These types of threads ALWAYS go straight downhill.

    Lock it down.

    12-34hom.
     
  22. boofus

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    I'm sure the SS would agree. No 'peace officer' should ever be resisted.

    What about that case over on the west coast where a state trooper pulled some woman over. Raped her, murdered her and then buried her body in the desert?

    Or Klan sanctioned police raids on black communities back in the Jim Crow days?

    A criminal in a blue uniform with a badge and gun is still that... a criminal. If he is UNLAWFULLY assaulting you I don't see any difference between him and the run of the mill rapist. Except the rapist can speak with more honesty about his chosen profession.

    If you resort to deadly force you'll still face a trial and maybe due process as the media portrays you as some psycho copkiller. But if the only other alternative was torture and death at the hands of a 'cop' it isn't much of a choice is it?
     
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    Oldfart,

    I hope that doesn't happen. I'm afraid you may be a prophet, sir.
    We are currently on a very slippery slope. It's just so easy to continue as we have.
     
  24. TallPine

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    Oh yeah, that's a real nice attitude ....:rolleyes:

    I think the correct term is D.O. ("Doctor of Osteopathy").

    For your information, a DO delivered all three of our children, was a staff doctor at the local hospital (chief of staff at one time, IIRC), and had a joint practice with other MDs over the years. He also did musculo-skeletal manipulations much like a chiropractor would, in addition to General Practice.

    In other words, by your definitions he was a "quack" because he wasn't an M.D.
     
  25. mondocomputerman

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    That's crazy! I grew up in Camden county, where that happened. I never considered the police there to be bad. Always good encounters when I got stopped.
     
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