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ATF director blows an extra $19mil on his luxury office

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ElTacoGrande, Feb 14, 2006.

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  1. ElTacoGrande

    ElTacoGrande Member

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    This article is just amazing:

    Source: http://www.lp.org/printer_281.shtml

    On the plus side, five agents for full-time bodyguards means five less agents who can harass us. Hey I would gladly double their budget if they would lose their badges and sit in the office and play Grand Theft Auto all day long.
     
  2. Hawkmoon

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    Well, 500 new BATFEs minus 5 for the security detail means only 495 new harrassers of the general populace.

    Thank God for small favours?
     
  3. ElTacoGrande

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    Yeah, 500 new agents is bad news for all of us. It's a make-work program that's a threat to the safety of everyone in the US.

    We need to get some politicians in office who make a commitment to cutting budgets of the BATFE and their friends.
     
  4. beerslurpy

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    A 65000 dollar conference table? All the furniture in my house isnt worth that, and I have nice furniture.

    Why isnt this guy in jail? Police agencies shouldnt be building themselves palaces on the taxpayer dime.
     
  5. ElTacoGrande

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    $65k would pay the salary for one agent for one year, or it would pay for one conference table. I've never heard of anyone being hurt by a conference table. Where woud you rather have them spend their money?

    Ah well, there's that too.
     
  6. Molon Labe

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    Because no one is policing the police.
     
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    The sooner enough people realize the nature of the organized crime cartel we have in Washington DC the better.

    Anyone wonder why no one zeroes in on the "lucky contractors" that supply the goods and services to these people? Who they are - and who they connect to?
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  8. Optical Serenity

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    :rolleyes:

    Yes, its kinda odd for someone to spend $60k on a table...But, you think thats the only $60k table in D.C.? Kinda funny how some people only think about the BATFE. Which actually, is a very important organization which investigates explosions...They do more than just pick up folks who illegally sell suppressors and sawed off shotguns...

    Do you guys also say the same thing about the white house? How about your congressmen? How about your mayor? For that matter, storm into your boss's office first thing in the morning and tell him/her that he can't have an expensive table. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Byron Quick

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    I only wish the BATFE would use up its entire budget buying luxurious tables, recliners, bars, sofas, etc. and spend all their time drinking at taxpayer expense. It'd be a bargain for us.
     
  10. GunnySkox

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    I just wish the BATFE stuck with the important stuff, like investigating bombings and giving thumbs ups on Form 4s and 1s, instead of, say, tromping around Richmond waving their bureaucratic phalluses around showing "us" just how much they can screw with us on a whim.

    If they stuck to the important crap, I wouldn't mind a snazzy conference table with all the features nearly so much.

    ~GnSx
     
  11. Molon Labe

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    Better yet, they need to close shop and return us the money...
     
  12. Optical Serenity

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    So, do you feel that there is absolutely no need for any investigation into violations of federal firearms laws? How about explosives?
     
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    Why can't the FBI investigate crimes committed involving explosives?

    The BATFE is a tax agency, right?
     
  14. Molon Labe

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    Show me in the Constitution where it gives the federal government the authority to regulate firearms and explosives.
     
  15. Byron Quick

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    Molon labe,

    I kept my comments within the realm of reality. There is a possibility that they could totally waste all their budget and accomplish no harassement of private citizens in the pursuit of corruption. There is no possiblility whatsoever of them forbearing to harass private citizens and returning tax money. Zilch. None. Zero. Zip.

    Approving Form 4's and Form 1's? I'd be much happier not having to obtain permission to exercise a right. Especially not being required to obtain permission from people who have such a sterling reputation.
     
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    [QUOTEWhy isnt this guy in jail][/QUOTE]

    Because the government cronies who fleece our tax dollars for lavish acutriments that in real life they could neither afford or would have access to, are imune from the laws that govern us meager citizens.

    Taxpayer theft in Washington is called "cost over runs".

    To make matters worse, when this guy retires, he will have a lavish pension paid for by us while most of us will struggle to make ends meet.

    Government waste will not end by any party until the flow of tax payer dollars is cut off.
     
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    Large conference tables are expensive. Large trees are expensive. Custom woodwork is expensive. Imagine delivering one of these monsters, no doubt in pieces. Hardwood floors, eh? Wonder how many square feet? There is nothing here except the jaw dropping cost of commercial gear and setting up and maintaining bureaucracies. Every chief needs a conference table, a conference room to put it in, a building for the room, etc. He also need Indians to sit around the table and allow him to prevail from the head. "BATF" is just bait to justify government and LE bashing on a gun board.
     
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    perhaps he's the first ATF director to have read Unintended Consequences.....
     
  19. psyopspec

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    That's the problem, it's not their money. It's our money.
     
  20. LawDog

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    For the same reason that nobody went to jail when the Pentagon was buying $1500 toilet seats, $700 hammers and LearJets.

    LawDog
     
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    Actually, the same thing happened with the hammers as happened here: the IG was informed, and the items were returned and/or contracts modified.
     
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    Dang it guys! It's only February and I have to do my annual explaination.

    The $1500 dollar toilet seat is quite real. It is based on the way the Department of Defense prices aircraft. That is, the entire cost of the program is divided into the cost of the aircraft when it is purchased, and shared out amoung the parts.

    What this means, in the real world: When the Swiss wanted to buy new tanks they tested the Leopard vs. the Abrams, both had similar mobility, same gun and ammo, similar fire control system etc. Then the bids were opened, the US tank was much more expensive because all the R&D costs were applied as a share on top the price of the tank. The Germans fund the R&D as a completely separate item, then price the tanks based on construction costs ONLY.

    The classic $700 dollar hammer was part of a special tools kit for an aircraft and had the same R&D costs applied, then divided by the item.

    When it came time to design a replacement for the UH-1 Iroquis, the design team was shown a US Army issue standard tool kit, and told they wanted to do everything up to Depot maintenance with the standard tool kit. Legendarily the Engineering Team looked at the tool roll and said, "Gee, do we have to use them all?"

    Geoff
    Who has to explain great silliness on occasion. :what:
     
  23. hammer4nc

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    Ho hum...the standard justifications for ATF waste, fraud, abuse so far:

    1. They occasionally investigate (solve?) arson cases. Mussolini made the trains run on time, remember.

    2. Everybody else, in .gov, is doing it (i.e., pentagon). Apt commentary on government in general. We could discuss "degrees" of corruption among competing agencies, though?:p

    3. Blowing money on expensive digs means fewer $$ for JBT's to harass gun owners (recognizing this is sardonic;) humor). Though I don't think the math works this way.

    Our historically passionate f-troop defenders have been relegated to posting on cop-only forums, I think.
     
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    Long past time to defund the ATFE, sell their weapons and vests on the market to the highest bidder and turn them into a mobile road crew picking up trash on our nation's interstates.
     
  25. buzz_knox

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    1. There is no constitutional authority for federal firearms laws. The Supreme Court was bullied by Roosevelt into reversing decades of jurisprudence and finding that the Commerce Clause allowed federal involvement in state matters. There is no federal police power outside a defined set of circumstances, and firearms/explosives off federal property arent' covered.

    2. The suggestion that some find no need for investigations is a strawman. Such investigations are valid for the states, which retain the police power.
     
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