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ATF employee's kid's art contest

Discussion in 'Legal' started by neoncowboy, Mar 26, 2006.

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  1. neoncowboy

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    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives held an art contest for employees' kids, asking them to illustrate what they thought their parents did at work.

    One of the winners:
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    Yup, that's pretty much it...burning people with guns at church.
     
  2. DKSuddeth

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    ouch, thats gotta hit home hard.
     
  3. ElTacoGrande

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    Do you have a source for this?

    Certainly, a big "ouch", but it looks contrived to me.
     
  4. Zundfolge

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    Here's my favorite, which I've taken the liberty of entitling

    "Lon Horiuchi creeps up on Vicki Weaver"

    [​IMG]
     
  6. ElTacoGrande

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    Indeed that is straight from the source, the ATF. I would never have believed if it didn't come from that source.

    You know what this means though? Our immediate interpretation of the image (the BATF guy's job is to burn down churches) isn't right. The BATF does have as one of its tasks investigating church arsons. It's a federal issue because burning down a church is a civil rights issue, therefore there's a fed. nexus, therefore the BATF investigates it. This image is portraying a worried BATF agent trying to find out who burned down a black church. When Dixon asks Agent Dad what he does for a living, Dad says, "I find evil people who burn down churches and stop them from doing it."
     
  7. neoncowboy

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    Why, given the EXCELLENT job that they did solving the arson of the Branch Davidian's compound at Waco, I can see why the fedgov would be highly motivated to put these arson experts in charge of any arson investigation that they really must have solved.

    Ah yes, of course.

    Not an ATF worried about how quickly they can bulldoze the crime scene to eliminate all the evidence of their using incendiary CS grenades...or machine gunning the parishioners as they tried to run out the back door...or the front door which showed their bullet entry holes...or, etc.
     
  8. M249MachineGun

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    My first thought was "Oh my god! That is freaking awesome! That kid is a genius! How did he get away with that picture, and how did that become a winning entry?"

    Then I though about it some more, and I think that the ATF guy is supposed to be arresting the guy who burned the church, not just being a JBT and oppressing Americans.

    We should host our own ATF cartoon contest. I could draw a guy with a ruler and a shotgun barrel, or counting kalashnikov parts. Then he stomps on some lady's cat. That's about right, ain't it?
     
  9. spartacus2002

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    If the possession of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms is restricted to adults, why does ATF have a kid's page??
     
  10. Old Dog

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    Please reassure us that you don't really believe that a federal agent's six-year-old son thinks his father's job is "burning people with guns at church."

    Frankly, I find the fact that this thread could be created using childrens' artwork as a conversation-starter for bashing the BATFE very disturbing, and not at all The High Road.

    None of this is funny, nor do these comments represent any new or constructive thinking on the whole BATFE issue, Waco, Ruby Ridge or whatever.

    Shame on you. Comments on the effectiveness of the BATFE, the necessity of actually having such an agency in this country, or pertinent remarks of a "legal and political" nature are fine; attacking the agency through the children of the folks who work for the agency is ... just wrong.
     
  11. Legion1776

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    In the first picture the kid even got the jack boots correct.:eek:
     
  12. stealthmode

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    how precious
     
  13. neoncowboy

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    No, I'm sure Daddy doesn't tell his kids what really goes on at work.

    Then again, the image is certainly pretty reminiscent of Waco on 4/19/93. I mean, I'm not the only one here who thought that when I saw it, right?

    Where else did we have a place of worship on fire with the ATF tacitly looking on? If it were a picture of an arson investigation, the fire would be out by the time the ATF got there.

    They're the ones that posted their kid's crayon drawings of ATF thugs standing outside a burning church on the internet!
     
  14. Molon Labe

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    Neither was Waco. Or Ruby Ridge.

    The ATF is an evil organization, Old Dog. There are no words too harsh for them.
     
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    I think this thread should be closed. The imagary in the drawing fits conveniently with a lot of our notions about the BATF but that's not what the drawing is about and to be honest presenting it in this context is the same kind of dishonest or misleading out-of-context use of facts and images that our buddy Michael Moore is so good at. Please, let's not do this. Mods, my 2c is that we close this thread.
     
  16. TexasRifleman

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    Who posted the darned pictures on the Internet for public perusal and judgement?

    This isn't attacking children. This is verification of what we already think and know of the ATF through the eyes of an innocent child.

    If their own children have this ideal of what they are, why can't our elected officials see it? Answer is, they DO see it and know it, but want this agency to continue to operate as they do regardless.

    THAT is the problem.
     
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    close the thread? geeze... thin skin, here.

    i think old dog was being sarcastic, fellas.
     
  18. english kanigit

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    Part of it is the kids puting in the details that they understand (ie. fire, guns... daddy in uniform). Waco is the first thing that popped into my head with that first picture.

    That said, as dishonest and pitifully worthless as the ATF is as a whole, using the kids art to bash something that they don't understand is just wrong.








    Now let the ATF bashing continue. Barbeque sauce any one? :rolleyes:
     
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    [​IMG]

    Yep, well that covers their thinking, all right.
     
  20. ElTacoGrande

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    Ah, Senor TribalRage, now that one is pretty unambiguous. "Daddy's job is to take guns away from people, and if they don't let him do that, daddy puts them in jail." That is ugly.

    Despite my defense of the picture that started this thread, I do really believe that the BATF should be shut down and all their helpful customer service representatives should be given pink slips and should have to compete in the free market for employment.
     
  21. Vex

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    I interpret this differently. The guy on the left is evil, because he has spikey hair, evil, beady eyes, and a unibrow (we all know people with unibrows are pure evil). He's also holding a stick of dynamite, not a gun.

    The church in the background is on fire because the evil guy was throwing dynamite into the church, which explains why it caught fire. The mad bomber hates churches and religion. This could be representative of the church fires in the southern USA recently.

    The ATF agent on the left is coming with the handcuffs to arrest the mad bomber. He's enacting justice on the mab bomber by arresting him for burning the church.

    It's all in the interpretation. It's too bad your interpretation paints the "mad bomber" as the victim.

    Edit: I just read other posts in this thread, and it seems I'm not the only one who came to this conclusion. Ha.
     
  22. Autolycus

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    Its funny because it just is...

    The ATF is an organization that tramples the citizens rights. It needs to be disbanded. Why do they exist to monitor our 2nd amendment rights?
     
  23. Old Dog

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    I'm seeing the hypocrisy meter here pegged, while the maturity gauge is barely registering a reading.

    You would enjoy seeing any group of people using our childrens' artwork for their purposes -- especially if we were virulently opposed to that group? It cuts both ways, gentlemen (and at this point, I use the term loosely). I guess if some anti-gun organization (or perhaps, even the government) were to use the artwork ... or any words ... or any sort of product of our children to portray us to others in a bad light, we'd all be okay with that, right? Especially if this was done on some type of media forum accessible by everyone else in the world?

    Y'all bitch and moan about unfair portrayals of gun-owners, shooters, hunters and those who support RKBA. So you really must think that we should use any means necessary to counter our negative image, right? Well, this thread is a good start. Y'all look really intelligent.

    I doubt there are many THR members who support the legitimacy of the federal agency in question. There have been hundreds of threads bashing the agency, and you continue to preach to the choir, this thread is just an excuse for everyone to exercise their feeble witticisms.

    What is inexecusable is using the artwork of children -- who do not understand the issues, nor even the work, involved with their parents' employment -- as a means to commence redundant criticism of the agency and trying to one-up each other with clever remarks.

    No wonder our movement encounters difficulty at every turn. Every time we have a chance to take The High Road, we lower ourselves to the level of those who work against us.
     
  24. dakotasin

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    did you not see the pic trybal rage put up? i think that would indicate that at least some of the children understand perfectly what some of their parents do.
     
  25. Don Gwinn

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    It indicates that the child who drew it knows his dad takes away guns from people, and apparently approves.

    It doesn't mean he would think his dad burns people alive in churches.

    I'm sorry, folks, but this is Low Road.
     
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