ATF shenanigans - Project Gunrunner

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Wrote him as well.

Recommend writing to your own state senators and encouraging them to support him in this matter.

I'm actually writing to my home of record senators and state of residence senators, but I'll do that tomorrow because I'm in the garage and the battery on the laptop is running low. :D
 
From what i watched i understood that 1-Man (An american citizen-Latino by race) purchased over 500-semi-auto AK-47's within 1-year and the BATF "let them slide" because they were 'tracking" them to the final destination,, well they lost some of them and 2-of the guns this guy bought "legally" showed up at that crime scene where the federal officer was killed,, very frustrating ,,,, one of the "inside" people that protested their supervisor's decisions quoted that about 2500-guns were involved ,,, UGH !!
 
Is there a "waiting period" in Arizona, and how long must that be for 500 AK-47s?
 
Even in states WITH waiting periods, the length of the wait is not determined by the number of guns being purchased
 
Waiting periods would be pointless against this type of crime any way. Go to three different stores and purchase the weapons. Then go pick them all up and drop them off the day after the waiting period ends. All it does is delay the return on investment.

Studies have shown that waiting periods have little to no effect on gun related crime.
 
That is the best reason to End the ATF as well as the Federal Reserve.

Neither do anything except endanger the U.S. Population,one agency does so through monetary policy and the other does so by breaking the same laws they are supposed to enforce.

The Agency did what they did not to stop crimes but to use it as a means to clamp down on the rights of American gun owners.

Anybody else remember Obama and Calderon telling us what WE should do in OUR country....what about the stuff they were allowing to happen?

This is also why the War on drugs should be ended,take the money out of it by legalizing said drugs and the cartels wouldn't have the money to buy their weapons.
 
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Pretty sure this is in about 5 threads now
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Perhaps, but now we have a name and face to link to the claims, not "anonymous sources". The fact the ATF is convening a panel to critique their investigatory tactics also hints at them slowly realizing what a public black eye this has the potential to become. Frankly, I don't think the level of outrage is nearly as high as it SHOULD be, but maybe that will change....
 
The video towards the bottom of the page was actually pretty fair compared to what I expected. It called the rifles "ak-47 type semi automatics" instead of "automatic ak-47's". However, they did throw around the term assault rifle a lot.

I hope something major comes out of all this.
I haven't heard about this till recently, so I'm playing catch up on it.
 
Shoot what shredding
I was just making gerbil litter for Mr. Nibbles, Oh was that the report you were looking for....

Too bad congress can't send the FBI or Marshal to arrest somebody for Contempt of Congress...
 
Followup on the "gunwalker" aspect of Operation Gunrunner

Agent tells CBS News ATF program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican cartels.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358369n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea
ATF let guns into Mexico?
March 3, 2011 12:07 PM

An ATF agent tells CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he was ordered to sit by and watch guns get into the hands of criminals in Mexico.
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Not only were some ATF agents upset about the guns being allowed to "walk" into Mexico, but most of the gun dealers were upset that they were told to let the shady characters continue buying them.
 
I read the first report of this issue in the Washington Post today 03-04-2011. As usual the editorial staff are right on top of the situation WRT the current administrations relationship with gun control. :scrutiny:
Joe
 
Insiders View of the ATF Phoenix Division

ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press

...after our Feb. 22 report, ATF's Chief Public Affairs officer sent an all-call internal memo to ATF Public Information Officers in an effort to "lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF."

Text of ATF internal memo:
Public Information Officers:

Please make every effort for the next two weeks to maximize coverage of ATF operations/enforcement actions/arrests at the local and regional level. Given the negative coverage by CBS Evening News last week and upcoming events this week, the bureau should look for every opportunity to push coverage of good stories. Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled.

It was shoddy reporting , as CBS failed to air on-the-record interviews by former ATF officials and HQ statements for attribution that expressed opposing views and explained the law and difficulties of firearm trafficking investigations. The CBS producer for the story made only a feigned effort at the 11th hour to reach ATF HQ for comment.

This week (To 3/1/2011), Attorney General Holder testifies on the Hill and likely will get questions about the allegations in the story. Also (The 3/3/2011), Mexico President Calderon will visit the White House and likely will testify on the Hill. He will probably draw attention to the lack of political support for demand letter 3 and Project Gunrunner.

ATF needs to proactively push positive stories this week, in an effort to preempt some negative reporting, or at minimum, lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF. The more time we spend highlighting the great work of the agents through press releases and various media outreaches in the coming days and weeks, the better off we will be.

Thanks for your cooperation in this matter. If you have any significant operations that should get national media coverage, please reach out to the Public Affairs Division for support, coordination and clearance.

Thank you,
Scot

Scot L. Thomasson
Chief ATF Public Affairs Division
Washington, DC

Desk 202-648-XXXX
Cell 206-XXX-XXXX
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Disgusted, disgraced, and dispicable.

I am utterly repulsed after spending the last two hours going through all of the reports, interviews, and articles. What a sad day for this country I love so much.

I will say this however, I'm extremely pleased to know we still have a few honorable people working for the government and implore that they themselves do not become the scapegoats. I plead that the blame lands squarely where it should, on the heads of these gun-grabbing, imbecilic, and poor excuse of a human beings.

Shawn
 
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No one should be surprised that an organization which made an official "How to Lie Under Oath" training video would do this.

The BATF[E] has been corrupt to the bone from day one.
 
My E-Mail to Senator Grassley:

Senator Grassley:

OK, let me get this straight: When border-state gun dealers report suspicious multiple purchases to ATF, they order the dealers to sell the guns anyway, then let them disappear into Mexico, in order to justify new regulations requiring dealers in border states to report multiple purchases, and to substantiate the administration's claims that most guns used in Mexico's drug wars come from the US. And now, the chickens have come home to roost, and a Border Patrol Agent lies dead, shot by one of the guns that ATF could have interdicted.

ATF's pandering to administration politics certainly seems complicit in the death of a Federal law enforcement officer. I urge you not to let them stonewall you, and to hold their feet to the fire for politicizing their investigation, thus jeopardizing lives on both sides of the border.

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