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Attn: All Those In Or Around Cincinnati

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Black92LX, Oct 18, 2004.

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  1. Black92LX

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    The Xavier University College Republicans are bringing John Lott to campus on Thursday October 28th at 7:00pm. He will be speaking and debating on gun control. He will be debating Cincinnati City Councilman David Crowley.

    This debate will be held in the Xavier University Cintas Center Banquet Rooms and it is free to all that wish to attend. I encourage as many to make it that can.

    I am assuming most everyone knows who John Lott is but in case you don't his website is www.johnrlott.com
     
  2. Greg L

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    Cool.

    I'll try to make it up there & will spread the word down this way to people who aren't hanging out here on THR :D .
     
  3. Henry Bowman

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    I plan to attend. Maybe we can meet up for dinner first. Let me know.
     
  4. SnakeEater

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    Man I'd love to attend. One problem though......I don't think CCW is allowed there. I'm not to keen on going to Cinci in the evening without my little buddy with me. What do you think?
     
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    If only I could drive.

    And had a car.
     
  6. carpettbaggerr

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    So carry openly. That's legal, isn't it?
     
  7. PMDW

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    I think he means because it's a school.
     
  8. Black92LX

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    I am actually having dinner with the man himself that night. and helping set up and such. so unfortunatly that won't work. but maybe we could hit up Graeter's afterwards if you want. We could have an mini THR gathering.

    Concealed means concealed right?
     
  9. SnakeEater

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    Yes, that is true and it is something that all of us have to deal with. Hell, count me in. I'm up for dinner and all of that stuff too. Lets try to get some solid plans together.

    Mike
     
  10. Black92LX

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    unfortunatly i am busy for dinner. (I will see if i can pull some strings and maybe get you all into the dinner with Lott aswell) no promises. but we have a meeting tonight i will see what i can do.

    But the Hyde Park Graeter's is right down the road and i would definatly be up for that afterwards.
     
  11. Greg L

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    The rest of us could meet somewhere for dinner. I know of a Chinese place over in Norwood that is usually fairly quiet so we could sit around & tell lies to/about each other :D .
     
  12. sendec

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    Concealed Means Concealed.....

    Intentionally breaking the law while attending an event that centers around the lawful use of firearms doesnt really sit right. XU is'nt that horrible, a couple hours without should be survivable.
     
  13. Black92LX

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    it is actually become quite serious, that students have been forced to move out of their houses because of ongoing altercations with the neighborhood folks. All to many people i know have been attacked. This year it is especially high. I belive we have had 20+ students attacked already this year. And we have only been here for 8 weeks now.

    http://www.xu.edu/newswire/editions/040922/oped-staff.htm
     
  14. SnakeEater

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    Sorry, but that's not the way I operate. I never assume anything and with my luck those couple of hours would be the time that something did happen. Like I said, I'm up for this............and so is the USP45:evil:
     
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    Then dont go. We cannot have it both ways. If you want CCW legitimized it requires a strict adherence to the law, stupid though it may be. The attitude that one will do whatever one wants is cavalier and only provides ammo for the antis. Instead of breaking the law maybe the effort should be in changing it.

    I carry 24/7 because I want to, not because I need to. If you believe that an environment is so dangerous that carry is mandatory, I would'nt go there. It isnt a matter of taking a chance, it is a matter of a realistic assessment of threat.

    Getting arrested for a CCW violation does no one any good.

    FWIW I used to live and went to school about a half mile from Xavier, so I have a familiarity with the area. No further, enjoy the debate.
     
  16. Black92LX

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    So you are saying living by every little thing the governement tells us to do they will magically stop infringing upon our rights?????

    I can't say i agree with that. I would have to refer back to the old saying give them an inch and they'll take a mile. The more we comply with no fight the more they will impose upon us.

    It is a sticky situation. but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
     
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    THR Gathering?

    I live in Mason, will plan on being at the XU debate. I would be up for dinner before, or ice cream/coffee/drinks after.
     
  18. Black92LX

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    good stuff. looking forward to meeting those of you whom i haven't yet!
     
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    I would also like to attend this, but don't know if I will.

    Re not carrying where it's prohibited, ever hear the quote, "When someone tells you it's safe, reach for your pistol." ???

    Dave Williams
     
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    That's not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is two-fold: First, it is hard to claim to be a "law-abiding citizen" and one of the good guys when you choose to ignore laws that you do not like. You are in fact sacrificing the moral high ground. Second, Ohio has had CCW for what, maybe six months now, and you are already trying to subvert it? The cause will be advanced by working to get the law changed, not by breaking it. If you believe that civil disobediance is appropriate in this setting, it will only lead to change if you march up to a Xavier police officer and have him arrest you for carrying in a restricted area. Then you can argue your cause in court and see where it goes.

    Ohio's CCW rules serve as a sterling example of poorly crafted rules, but they are the best you have at this time. Throwing away what little progress they represent by knowingly and willingly violating them seems counterproductive, especially at this early stage of the game. I contend that the best way to demonstrate the inanity of a given rule is by scrupulous adherence to it.

    As a practical matter, I am confident that certain sections of the Ohio regs are violated on a regular basis with no explicit criminal intent, but that doesnt make it right. If a person is going to avail themselves of the CCW system it is implicit that they uphold their end by not violating the contract

    How about asking Lott what he thinks about it?
     
  21. SnakeEater

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    sendec,

    I can sympathize with your point of view, heck every now and then I drift into thinking along those lines as well. The delima we face is this; miss out on going to certain places and events because CCW is not allowed; knowingly violate the law and carry anyway; or worst of all IMO is the option of going unarmed. I'm not trying to give the impression that I carry 24/7 because I don't, but I sure strive to. The odds are heavily in favor of nothing life threatening happening, no matter where you go on a day to day basis. It's being that 1 in a 1000 that something does happen to that worries me. Your argument is that everybody should but thereselves at risk because some beaurocrats say so.

    I have 3 little girls and a wife that depend on me. If I let my guard down for 1 second and something happened to me or them than I failed in my responsibilties. This is not acceptable. It's definately not a choice that I'll willingly make. I apologize for sorta hijacking the thread, I've said all I'm gonna say about this.

    Hey what's the dress attire for this event?
     
  22. Black92LX

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    nothin real fancy. i will peobably break out some jeans:what: and my molon labe t shirt
     
  23. Henry Bowman

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    I will be the lawyerly-looking one in a suit. :cool:

    Edited to add: I have a Federalist Society Lawyers lunch meeting earlier that day. Otherwise, as Black92LX knows, I'd be wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
     
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  24. Greg L

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    After the shirt thread down in RT, perhaps I should wear my kilt :D .
     
  25. Henry Bowman

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    Greg - Only if it is "gun nut BDU camo" plaid.:scrutiny:
     
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