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Autozone Gun Issue

Discussion in 'Activism' started by dbp, Dec 4, 2012.

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  1. Double Naught Spy

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    Sure he did. He just didn't do it all day long. He was a company employee who brought a gun into the company workplace. At that moment, he was in violation of policy.

    No, this is a fairly blatant misrepresentation. From the article cited in the OP, the store was open at the time of the robbery and McLean was working. McLean never went "essentially off the clock" anymore than he would have going outside with the store's garbage. He never even left Autozone's property.

    Or, if you wish to believe because he stepped outside of the store that he went off the clock, then the moment he stepped inside the store again, he went back on the clock. Any way you look at it, McLean, an employee of Autozone, brought a firearm into the workplace against store policy for employees and got fired for it.

    Sure, he is a hero, but being a hero doesn't mean actions come without responsibilities, obligations, and consequences.
     
  2. powder

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    Noooo kidding.

    No, "the gist of this matter" is a large group has organized a Facebook effort to boycott a company for their being held hostage by an insurance company.

    You guys NEED to start thinking on your own rather than taking these NRA-like stances against an action you don't like, and see what the root-causes are of the problem; the insurance companies are anti-gun.

    It's not an "Autozone gun issue". Take a look at the insurance industry, their actuary tables, and understand WHY these policies exist.

    It's nice to be active in a group, but when you're in a group of misdirected people? You are no less wrong.
     
  3. Trueno

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    Lighten up Francis, we're not stupid, AZ's policy is well known. In this conversation (thread) I would think the context of "essentially off the clock" is similar to "figure of speech". It's a figure-of-speech somewhat in the hopes that AZ would see fit to rehire the man.


    Mitigating circumstances, look it up. Me, I hope the guy finds better employment. Probably will despite how many think he's a troublemaker.

    t

    ps: the cup is half full :neener:
     
  4. Trueno

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    Concerning the FB drivel, I have know nothing of or have anything to do with the "large group" so no idea why you quoted me.



    Not sure what "group" you think I'm a member of(?) I'd simply like to see AZ give Devin his job back. He might not want it back, who knows, but I'm simply expressing the thought that things would do a 180 if that were to occur.

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  5. Trueno

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    Does Autozone sponsor any NASCAR?

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  6. the iron horse

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    I will never again buy anything from AutoZone and will encourage my family
    and friends to do the same.

    I am getting sick of this stupidity :cuss:
     
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  8. Analogkid

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    I give two Craps About their policy..... There should have been someone in the Background at the Corp Headquarters that should have know this was going to be a huge PR crap storm. He should have been taken into the office and thanked and then restate policy to save face.

    Like Turn a BLIND FRIGGEN EYE... A Veteran........... Soon to be a New Daddy and now he doesn't have a a dang job..

    Sometimes you just have to make exceptions to the rules.

    I don't fault him for any of what he did, I just hope I could bring it together enough to help a Friend out that was being held at gunpoint if it ever happened...



    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/146/979/031/petition-autozone-to-publicly-apologize-to-devin-mclean/
     
  9. CatManDo

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    Autozone used to sponsor Richard Childress Racing, I don't know if they still do or not.
     
  10. powder

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    You would be in the group that thinks a boycott on AutoZone will make a dent in their revenue, and that a boycott will make a difference in their insurance company's policy.

    You would be in the group that wants to ignore the facts of the case: a major policy was broken by an employee-by right to work laws they could have fired this guy for much less without recourse. Do I like it? Nope.

    Is that the way it works? Yup, on the clock and on company property with a firearm, you are subject to being fired. Insurance companies.

    As the economy continues to spiral, auto. repair places like AutoZone flourish: check the stock history. Boycott all you want-until you make changes in insurance companies you patronize, nothing will change. NASCAR? It's run on insurance monies as well...



     
  11. v8stang289

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    I worked for Advance Auto Parts for several years as an assistant manager. The Advance employee handbook stated that possession of weapons/firearms is prohibited on company property unless allowed by state or local law. My interpretation was that my carry permit allowed me to carry via state law. Even with that I fully expect that their reaction in the event I had to draw would have been the same as Autozones was in this case. Thankfully I was never in a situation where I had to find out.
     
  12. Isaac-1

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    As a manager at a small business the whole issue of guns in the workplace is something that to which I have given a fair amount of thought. Let me go on to say that this is a business with under 30 employees, about half are young and work for a bit over minimum wage in less than pleasant warehouse coniditons (just the nature of the job). This can sometimes lead to tempers flaring, and while we do our best to minimize such things, and have a low tolerance for it, sometimes fights have been known to break out, thankfully never anything worse. This brings up the great delima, would it be better to allow carry in the work place and have a hothead with a gun lose his temper when a gun was handy and not in his car a couple of hundred feet away vs. the concern that the same hothead might go to his car to get a gun and come back in with a gun and everyone else was unarmed. This is all before the topic of insurance, etc. comes up.

    To me as a buisness manager in an ideal world I would like to see employees have the option to carry at work, but ONLY after passing a training course that is a lot more in depth than the standard CCW class, lots of shoot / no shoot training as well as gun safety, and maybe even some profiling for mental stability. (I know the local sheriff's department requies such stability profiling for all their job applicatants, and they have well over a 50% rejection rate on it)
     
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    People are going to hurt each other regardless of some stupid policy. Wouldn't a good option be to allow the victims to protect themselves?
     
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    Thank You.
     
  15. Double Naught Spy

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    Sorry Francis, but being 'off the clock' was being used to justify that the employee was not on the clock and hence not covered by comapny rules, but that isn't how it works. He wasn't off the clock, essentially or otherwise, regardless of the 'hopes.' Hope doesn't change the facts.

    Well Francis, I don't have to look it up. Your argument would be with AZ who is holding fast to their zero tolenerance policy. Zero tolerance - look it up.
     
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    Sent my e-mail.
     
  17. Analogkid

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    Looks like the Boycott is working. Their stocks have dropped it looks like, and a few stores around St Louis have had extremely dismal sales according to few sources. I think they have given up on posting anything new on their Facebook page. They have got barked at pretty good on it since the news broke.

    I hear there have actually been some other Autozone robberies as well since this happend. That's not good, but they practically sent a invite out for that.
     
  18. Guillermo

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    They have this little thing called "right and wrong"

    I wonder how you folks that are fine with the "letter of the law" being followed, and the man fire would feel the same way were if it were an elementary school.

    If a gunman were taken down by a parent that went into the school would you be calling for the parent's prosecution?

    A man's life was saved.

    A company that fires a hero deserves to go out of business...company policy or not.
     
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    When you break the law, or company policy, you need to be aware if the consequences, and need to deal with them if you are busted. Doesn't matter if you believe you are right or wrong.

    In an earlier post I stated that I carried to a job that had a strict no weapons policy. I fully expected to get fired if I had needed to use my gun. I would not have expected a phone call back, or even a good reference.
     
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    Stock volatility is a poor guage of a company's performance or impact of boycotts, especially when the boycotts are unknown to the general public. The changing of stock price you see corresponds with normal AZO volatility and also with their 4 Dec quarterly report. Sorry, but your boycott theory doesn't flew.

    BTW, you posted on the 11th and the stock price went up on the 11th, 12th, and 13th. Again, this is normal volatility for AZO. If the boycott is working as you claim and this effective work is supposed to be reflected in the price of the stock, then it isn't working to the point of affecting the price outside of the normal volatility and expected normal performance in response of things like quarterly reports.

    And what sources would those be?

    Well of course there are. Stores get robbed all the time. Autozone has some 4376 stores. Like any other 'convenient' business with a very high number of stores, they are going to get robbed. The question is, can you show that they are somehow getting robbed more frequently now or are you once again talking about that which is part of the normal pattern?

    Hmm, the letter of the law in our state allows for emergency circumstances, but we aren't talking about law. We are talking about a business and its rules and a contractual agreement of employment that doesn't allow for such. There is a vast difference between business rules, contracts, and local, state, and federal laws. The guy broke the rules. You may not like it, but the company has a right to fire him.

    That somebody's life was saved is only an opinion. The manager felt like it, but the bandit was not trying to kill the manager at the time of the robbery. It was just a robbery and the manager thought he might die. That is a wholly typical belief that may or may not be reality.
     
  21. Analogkid

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    Sources being 3 friends that work at 3 seperate stores.

    Autozone is clearly taking heat for this as shown by the Boycott and the daily hate being thrown at them on the internet and their own Facebook page.

    Again the company has the right to fire him but we have the right to let them know what fool idiots they are for doing so.
     
  22. Trueno

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    Nobody said it did, so your point is moot.

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    ps: water is wet.
     
  23. Trueno

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    Careful, the Judge Dredds in this thread will be along shortly. :D
     
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    sorry, I do not understand the reference
     
  25. Trueno

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    Yeah, uh huh...the gun probably wasn't even loaded.





    Do you leave your doors unlocked at night?

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