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Avoid Hudson MFG at all costs...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by swampcrawler, Dec 13, 2018.

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  1. Rembrandt

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    One part of me wants to buy the Hudson I saw at a LGS, just because it might follow the pattern of other troubled guns in history that became extinct, and are now highly collectible. The down side of that, it would be a gamble and possibly take 25-30 years to see a positive result......in which case I might not be around to say "I told you so".

    This situation is not going to end well. Supplier hasn't been paid for work done, Hudson says the supplier didn't make parts to spec, therefore we are not paying you. In the end both parties will suffer, attorneys will have a new revenue stream, and a possibly good product will fade into the sunset.
     
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    I have to say, if the one I rented was accurate I would have one. I loved the feel, balance and trigger.

    Problem was i couldn't hold 6" at 7 yards with it, despite an excellent feeling trigger. I had brought my Glock 17 as a comparison that day and shot a nice 2" 10 round group to prove I wasnt crazy shaky.

    I really, really, wanted to like it and expected to order one after the range session but it was not to be. Apparently I dodged a bullet.

    The H9 money turned into my EDC 226 Legion SAO, which i love and shoot very well, so I definately dodged a bullet.
     
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  3. reddog81

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    The whole company is nothing but a stained reputation and a pile of liabilities. They apparently owe major amounts to vendors and has problems with every gun that has gone out the door. Anyone considering buying this outfit would run away after 5 minutes of due diligence.
     
  4. 460Shooter

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    This is a very depressing thread.

    I feel bad for the folks who gave it a shot and it hasn't panned out.

    I hope you all manage to get some restitution or fixed working guns.
     
  5. F-111 John

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    Shame about Hudson. SHOT Show 2019 is currently in progress, and Hudson Mfg. is listed as an exhibitor. I wonder if they really showed up?

    Ian and Karl from InRange TV really liked the Hudson H9, so even though I never really got the concept, I am sorry for those left holding the bag.

    InRange TV Hudson videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeUNM9NqJqZXfRNeuW4_2sg/search?query=hudson
     
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    My understanding is that they didn't show up.
     
  8. reddog81

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    Based on a quick review of the lawsuit it looks like the vendor making their grips, barrels and strikers hasn't been paid in a long time if ever. Based on the cost of $120 each i'm assuming the "grip" refers to the frame. If the supplier producing your frames and barrels is suing you i'm guessing you won't have much luck getting funding from anyone else.

    I'm not sure how they have the gall to throw the supplier under the bus, but I guess they have to blame someone other than themselves.
     
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    I read, from a really reliable source :confused: (the internet) that Hudson claims they had issue with their supplied barrels from the plaintiff in the case. It seems that some of the people reviewing the Hudson were in fact having accuracy issues with theirs so who knows who is in the wrong. Was Hudson withholding payment due to substandard work, or was the supplier getting the shaft on their accounts receivable; it's for the courts to decide evidently. While Hudson H9 owners hold desk papers down with their firearm.
     
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    I think the fact that they come apart while shooting is more of an issue than accuracy.
     
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    Agreed. I was just pointing out what I've read as the happenings between Hudson and their Supplier.
     
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  12. reddog81

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    Sub standard barrel production is definitely a possibility, however the barrel could have been built to the exact specs provided and maybe it was just a poor design... Based upon Hudson's statements they seem to be blaming the manufacturing company for refusing to continue to work with Hudson, and not blaming the manufacturer for poor quality. However my opinion is based on a 5 minute review of the RECOIL article and the lawsuit which doesn't give much detail.
     
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    this is why I NEVER buy from a start-up - seen this happen way too many times! :what:
     
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    You realize there is no legal requirement to register. That is simply a marketing gimmick to get your personal information to sell to other companies. It is against the law to refuse warranty service for not having "registered."
     
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    I followed Hudson development since first hearing about them being that new developments are interesting and SO difficult it's great that people still jump into that fire. But despite all the consumers being furious with Hudson I feel bad for them as they are a victim in this too.

    Consider the effort to bring a new gun to market: Design then tool up, build prototypes, test, then begin selling which is a race between enough money coming in to pay the bills and going bankrupt. The mule pistols no doubt went through many, many rounds and the striker breakage that's showed up is doubtful to have been seen....so that's most likely not a design issue but a material/heat treat thing that is on the supplier. Can't blame Hudson for withholding payment if the parts are failing due to being made incorrectly.

    How horrible for them to have thousands of pistols being sold and keeping their heads above water and the wolf from the door.....and then returns start to come trickling in. Then the trickle turns into a stream and they're saying 'Oh NOOOO!!!' The parts that are failing are the same parts that they have to repair guns with so they'll fail down the road too which is not a fix. Meanwhile the guns in the Service Department are stacking up and the banks are demanding their payments and it must be hell for Hudson.

    Not knowing what materials are involved here...are the failing striker parts MIM? I'm sure whatever is failing can be fixed, but whether the Company can stay afloat long enough to get this resolved is doubtful...which is a shame.:(
     
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    There’s that obscure concept called “testing before bringing a new product to the market...”
     
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    But....they DID test the mule guns and these problems did not show up. How many rounds? Can't say....but if you were building a new gun, how many test rounds would you fire through your development mules? I think it safe to say that the part failures they're getting back are in guns with WAY less rounds than their prototypes had run.....which indicates a material issue rather than one of design.
     
  18. Lyle Wyatt

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    Remember the Bren Ten ?
     
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  19. Wanderling

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    But you don’t test the design, you test the final product. Design, materials, fabrication processes, everything. Companies test the same exact product that they are delivering to the customers. Otherwise any testing is meaningless.

    If they are getting crappy material in the actual production run, then either they changed the specs, or the vendor didn’t provide what was contracted; but in any case, this means they did not test the actual product that they delivered to customers - which is inexcusable, especially for a brand new product just hitting the market, when one would typically expect all teething problems to start showing up.
     
  20. rpenmanparker

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    What the hell is a mule gun?
     
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    I don’t feel sorry for Hudson. They didn’t do the job as well as was necessary and are failing for it. There was no inherent value to their company or value to the society that we need to protect from failure. They are of interest to us only for their product. We will do fine in the absence of their novel product. They won’t. C’est la vie.
     
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    He either meant “test mule” or a gun used exclusively to put down recalcitrant mules.

    I can see either one of those getting quite a workout...
     
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  23. rpenmanparker

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    Is there such a thing as a test mule? I don’t recognize that either. Maybe this is a case of autocorrection.
     
  24. drband

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    I think it means the pistol used during product development, used-modified-used over and over to develop parts, fitting, etc...
     
  25. Sovblocgunfan

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    I’ve heard that phrase used as a colloquialism to describe airplanes kept by a manufacturer to test new products and designs.

    Like this heavily modified B-17 bomber. It was used to test various early turboprops. A known, predictable, and reliable design (the mule) used to test and prove unproven stuff.
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