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Awb '08

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Joshua M. Smith, Nov 9, 2008.

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  1. Joshua M. Smith

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    So, even POSSESSING semis, not to mention high-cap mags (which I read as +5) will be illegal?

    Guess there's no reason for me to go buy an AR or a Mini-14 then, huh?

    BTW...the wife was reading on-line this afternoon BO plans to use his executive privilege privileges to "right the wrongs" of Pres. Bush. I guess he could fast-track gun bans with an EO, then - huh?

    Q
     
  3. Bubba613

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    I could easily be wrong but the bill will expire at the end of this Congress. So introducing it is essentially worthless.
     
  4. Joshua M. Smith

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    I can see it being reintroduced once Obama takes presidency.

    I think that if it does expire at the end of this Congress, I will take whatever money OBama "gives" me for being a good little American and spend it on arms.

    I believe they will be grandfathered, from how I'm reading it.

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    You should have kept reading... the next paragraph states:

    (2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection.

    That's your basic "grandfather" clause.

    However, right now, it's nothing more than a proposal. There's still a long way to go before an AWB gets voted on... and a lot of legal challenges to any, thanks to Heller. So, go buy what you want... at worst, you'll be covered under a grandfather clause. While banning future sales of a certain type of firearm may pass legal muster (regulation of interstate commerce, and all that), an outright ban on possession will fly directly in the face of Heller.
     
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    :eek:

    Mea culpa.

    I did read that line, but (somehow) I misunderstood what it was saying.

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    Not going to happen until next year, but this line made me puke:

     
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    Start writing your reps!
     
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    isnt this the same one that was introduced by incumbent NJ reps that only had six sponsors/supporters? This bill didnt go anywhere at all, and it was introduced months ago. It really didnt even pick up any supporters.

    few things to note:

    things that are different:
    -a 'by-name' section
    -shotguns changed to not be able to accept any sort of detachable mag
    -any semi-auto weapon that has a built-in mag of five or more (SKS) is now an assault weapon; however, an 'antique section' was included, which the SKS is also under
    -an appendix of weapons at bottom

    things that are the same:
    -basic definitions are largely intact
    -grandfather clause
    -hi-cap mag ban
    -10-year sunset provision

    yea, this wasn't really a whole-hearted attempt.

    either way, start writing.
     
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    Under a new AWB that caps magazines/clips to 10 rounds, how will the authorities be able to look at your mags and determine whether they are pre-ban? Of course this assumes they grandfather in the old ones.
     
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    Did they leave the AR-10 and similar rifles off the list? Unless it is considered to be a higher caliber AR-15...
     
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    Who cares?

    I'd be using the post-ban magazines for target practice anyway. Wouldn't want to wear out the hi-caps, just in case.
     
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    Buy what you want NOW! What ever bill materializes, obama will sign it. I have pretty much all of the self loading rifles and pistols I want. I have mucho hicap magazines. I have lots of ammo. Hey, it is coming. Get what you want and need right now. Do not waste a single minute debating whether or not a bill of some sorts will be signed. It will be law with in a year or two, max. The gun banners/confiscators/democrats have been waiting eight years for this moment and they wont waste a single minute getting this signed into law.
     
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    I found their definition to be pretty much everything but my bolt. Good thing they think bolt guns aren't dangerous, I guess...

     
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    I see Chris Shays (the worthless republican from CT) was the one to re-introduce this bill. Well, Shays was sent packing this election, fwiw. I doubt this helps but we are all better without him.
     
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    Again--and again and again--snalimail your US Rep & Senator. Send money to the pro-gun groups to help with their lobbying efforts.

    Otherwise, be content to vent and rant on the Internet and watch Bad Things Happen.
     
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    weight

    why would the weight of a pistol be one of the defining factors?:confused:
     
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    Duh.... because if the pistol were heavier, you could throw it at somebody and HURT them :D

    It makes about as much sense as banning a 10/22 because someone dropped the action into a stock with a pistol grip and a folding stock. Makes it SOOO much more evil that way.

    That just gave me an idea for an Oleg-style poster... on the left, a 10/22 in a Tapco stock (show the ammo it shoots... little itty-bitty .22LR round), with a "BANNED" stamp across it. On the right, a semi-auto 1919A3 on a tripod, with a 10-round belt of ammo hanging out, and a "LEGAL!" banner. "AWB II - now with even less sense"
     
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    Hmmm. So...

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    Look closely at the list of sponsors and co-sponsers. You may be surprised.
     
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    Yup. RINOs.
     
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