Ayoob Reviews the Ruger SR9 ...

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Don't we all just love it, when in the course of a perfectly good thread about one particular handgun model/platform, someone always pops up and starts talking about how great his Glocks are?

Not really. Grrrhh!
 
Well I imagine if you're the proud owner of a brand new SR9 you're probably wishing you were the proud owner of something else, and lets not forget, just who do you think the boys and girls from Prescott were trying to compete with? And now how about that other writer and his 12,000 rounds "without a failure" and offhand "200 yard" hits? Jeez, ya think that was just a bit of a yarn? I sure do....
 
I think that calling another writer a liar while praising Ayoob for being objective is a bit of a stretch. 200 yard hits are possible, but they don't mean a thing. Any handgun can hit out to 200 yards from the offhand, up to and including a .22. If someone claims they can do it at will, well, then we start drifting into fish story territory. I am not familiar with the article your referencing, but who's to say that he didn't rattle off 12,000 rounds with no problem? It's not like that hasn't been done before (cough... Glock torture tests... cough). To back this up, I qoute Chuck Taylor from 1995 for a series he evidently wrote for Combat Handguns:

And now, the fall of 1995, after having fired a total of 100.000 rounds of virtually all kinds of ammunition...

Nothing has changed! The gun looks the same, feels the same, functions the same as it did before. I've done everything within reason to this gun. I've carried it all over the world, quite literally in every environmental condition known to man-- the steaming jungles of Latin America, the windblown deserts of the southwestern U.S., the 40-below zero tundra of Alaska in the winter.

And it worked-- every time. In fact, since I discovered that loading 15, rather than the rated 17, rounds into the magazine prevented the follower spring from softening, I haven't had a single malfunction. Both magazines used in this last 25.000 portion of my test remain strong and completely serviceable. And, by way of confirmation, I replaced the old springs in the magazines that failed during the test with new ones from Glock, and they, too, function perfectly.
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Denali, I am going to be blunt and just say that your comments smack of someone who just plain doesn't like Ruger and of someone who is taking a little bit of joy in bringing them down. I am not criticizing you, as you have the right to your opinions, but your bias is showing just as much as the writer you claim was lying.

Storm, that Ruger made a change after 15,000 pistols does not indicate that everyone was having a problem, though it certainly indicates that improvements were needed. Jeff Quinn of Gunblast.com had a pistol in the #3500 range, and he didn't report a problem. Now, does that mean he had it and didn't report it? I don't know, but I doubt it. There have been ample examples of positive reviews, and I feel certain that many of those came from that initial lot of 15,000.

Now, with that being said, it sucks your isn't working right. I can see your point about wanting a gun that works. In principle, I can agree with you. Realistically, nine bucks just isn't enough to get my hackles up, but thats just me. Hopefully, this is the only glitch that the SR9 has, because from handling one, it seems like an exceptionally nice pistol.

I would also mention that while Ayoob told the truth, but he didn't not endorse the gun. In fact, in his closing sentence he says "As it is, in its early incarnation, it's a reliable, good-pointing pistol well worth its price tag" (GUNS, P.49) He flat out said that with some relatively minor changes, it would be a "favorite". Mas is to be praised for writing an objective article. Some of his opinions are subjective (checkering the backstrap, redesigning the safety, which I actually sort of liked, or at least didn't dislike), but thats OK. A review is just that: a review.
 
Don't we all just love it, when in the course of a perfectly good thread about one particular handgun model/platform, someone always pops up and starts talking about how great his Glocks are?

Not really. Grrrhh!

It does get old...

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Ruger-SR9 designs/problems

I'm sure Ruger will get the - feedback around the new SR9 and make the design changes. At around $420.00 the cost is not bad but I agree with the other members who suggest a used well made, proven( ;)), semi auto pistol like the DAK/SIG P-226/9 or the HK P-2000 LEM.

Rusty S
 
Exceptionally nice pistol...well my Sig 226 Elite is an exceptionally nice pistol...as is my Colt Gunsite...this is an ok pistol. A very nice $385 pistol. Can one do better for the $525 retail? Yes In my very humble opinion. Honestly, any one can fault any gun for any reason they see fit. I was just adding to the boards by giving a report of my latest (well, I got a Colt WWI reproduction at the same time) aquisition. Am I as crazy about it as the first 15 min of ownership? Not really. I am going to try an extended range bout with it one more time this week, about 250 more rounds. That will be about 800 or so into it. If it does not funtion properly during or after that, then it is what it is.
 
Now, with that being said, it sucks your isn't working right. I can see your point about wanting a gun that works. In principle, I can agree with you. Realistically, nine bucks just isn't enough to get my hackles up, but thats just me.

Yes, $9 isn't that big of a deal. But if that's true then why doesn't Ruger just send out the part and be done with it? No matter whether it is a re-occuring problem or not, it is a warranty issue and since when do they charge for warranty parts? Is that their policy? Heck, by handling the matter that way they have saved on return shipping costs (and maybe shipping on the front end as well) so why pinch someone for a $9 part when they are way ahead to begin with. If Ruger told me that they were charging me for a $9 warranty part it may not be big bucks, but it would piss me off and my response would be "you've got to be kidding". No, $9 isn't a lot of money, but that isn't the point. If a small issue is handled in that manner it makes me question how they will be with a major issue. That is one piss poor way to build consumer confidence.

I say this as someone who owns and enjoys numerous Rugers (P90, P89, P94, P345).
 
I own athe gun, I have fired the gun, 550 plus rounds. It was my first semi auto larger than a 22. Last weekend at the range guess what Mag release issue, got stuck a bunch. I am rot even going to worry about a call to Ruger.
Did that once regarding the Mags. service not good. I am not going to pay anything for the gun to work when it is less then 3 months old. My bad for buying a new model. No more SR9 and no more Rugers.
 
The mag release issue does not bother me nearly as much as the slide not going into full battery, not allowing the gun to fire. Its just a TINY bit, just the slightest push with your thumb, but it sucks. I let my female friend shoot it yesterday, who is a police officer, and a crack shot at that, and it did it to her 3 times in 1 magazine. She is left handed, and poor, so she showed interest in the gun because of its ambedextrous features and the affordability. She lost interest after she shot it. She was able to pound out around 2" groups at about 20 yards, however. The adjustable sights are nice, as well as the fit and finish. Does the slide to frame fit feel like a Sig? No. But I still say for $385-$400 its a nice American made product. Maybe they will come up with recoil spring changes and work on the small parts.
 
In all fairness Timbokhan you're correct I don't like Ruger centerfire pistols, especially after the way the company handled the two defective 345's I purchased over a year apart from each other! I've made it a point ever since then to make sure prospective buyer's are as aware as I can make them!
And if you'd like, you can track all my posts regarding Ruger and their new toy's, you'll find that I was well ahead of Mr. Ayoob in pointing out the deficiencies of Rugers new pistols.
And again I'll remind you, just who do you think Prescott is trying to compete with here? No matter, the wise course in this case is to avoid what certainly is going to be a prolonged period of tweaking by Ruger. The question as I see it, do you want to be their crash test dummy?
 
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I've got an SR9 (serial # in the 11,000 range) that I'm perfectly happy with. I do not wish I had bought a Glock, XD, M&P, or anything else instead.

No mag release sticking. It feels a little funny but it works 100%.
No failure to return to battery.
No stoppages of any kind.
Magazines were a little stiff at first, but I can fully load them without the mag tool and without damaging my thumbs.
The trigger is currently a very smooth 5.75lbs, though it started a little rougher and stiffer.


A trigger stop would be nice to limit the overtravel, but I can easily live with it.

I suppose the safety could be a little small, if I ever used it.
 
The question as I see it, do you want to be their crash test dummy?

Honestly? Sure, to a point. When the 345s very first came out I handled one, and I was not impressed for a variety or reasons and lost interest immediately. The SR9 is a horse of a different color. The one that I handled seemed like a very nice pistol, and I am very honestly thinking about buying one. Interestingly, it's down to the SR9 and a Glock, hahaha.
 
Got an SR9, serial number in the 800's. Put over 2,000 rounds through it, including UMC, never had the problem with not returing to battery. Trigger sucked for the first few hundred rounds, but has really smoothed out. Saftey works well for me, similar to 1911's. Mag release is super hard to push to release mag if your angle is not dead on. Only once have had the release fail to come out, not letting a mag stay in. Not worrying me too much as it only hapened once, the mag fell out into my hand but then went right back in without a problem.
Accuracy is great, points more naturally then any glock I own.
Mags suck to load, but worth it for 17 rounds in such a thin gun...and hollow points don't pose the same problem.
 
I am curious to see what kind of press the LCP gets. Peronally I hope it is trouble proned. It rubbed me the wrong way when I heard an interview with Ruger stating that they designed the gun from a blank sheet of paper and going by what people wanted. I use to have more respect for Ruger. As far as the SR9 I am sure they will get it worked out. I won't be buying any Ruger anytime soon. As much as I hate to admit it my next beater gun might be a Sigma. I am still bitter over my first one but for 250 and 4 hi caps. You can't get a much better deal.
 
I guess I'm one of the lucky people that really likes their SR9. I have 1500+ rounds through mine with no problems whatever. I have shot reloads in 115,124, and 147 grain with 0 ftf, fte, nada.:) My trigger felt pretty cruddy at first especially when dry firing, but it has smoothed out greatly and I rather like it now. The mags are a bear when you first get them but get easier with use. I see no signs of peening on my gun and the mag release works easy from both sides. I guess a good one slips through now and then.:D
 
If this gun was secretly in R&D for three years until they got it right, why does it seem like it was rushed to market with all these problems. It's as if Ruger took a page out of MicroSoft's book.
 
My theory on any new design is let the other guy be the beta tester.

I wouldn't buy a car that has not been on the market for a few years either.
 
Strom a quick aside if I may. Years ago I had a problem with a Redhawk,the hook on the hammer that connects to the main spring broke. At the time I had little if any time to fix it on my own,so I called Ruger and asked about fixing it.
$16 I was told so I sent the hammer off with a check for repairs,about a week later got the hammer back new hook and a check for......$16.
My point is just cause they say it will cost "X" doesn't mean they will charge you "X".
 
My point is just cause they say it will cost "X" doesn't mean they will charge you "X".

That is probably true. Hopefully Ruger will just send the part and not play games with a warranty issue. To do otherwise seems inconsistent with everything that I've heard about Ruger over the years (I've never had a warranty/customer service issue with them myself).
 
Just an update

Don't like hearing all this hat about the SR-9, but it seems like I was one of the lucky folks that got a good one. Sorry for everyone that has had/is having troubles.

Posted before that no real malfunctions after 2,00 rounds. Well over 5,000 now and have finally had the "failure to return to battery" problem. Just once, but still worth noting. Hasn't happened again, and a quick slap to the back of the gun solved the problem immediately. Had my local gunsmith completely disassemble the gun (I can't seem to put things back together if I take them apart), he found some part of the trigger to be rubbing against something inside the gun (sorry can't be specific,again not to mechanically inclined) and he smoothed it out. He also found that he had to smoothen some metal/plastic where you can see the cocking mechanism in the back of the gun.

I was dissatisfied with the trigger prior to this work, but it wasn't driving me nuts. Anyhow those that are at least somewhat mechanically inclined could easily fix the trigger in about twenty mins.

I largely agree that this pistol seemed rushed into the market, as well equipped as it is for its price I can't complain too much, but Ruger should not have put a pistol out with some many inconsistencies without being willing to repair/polish up the pistol free of charge.
 
I have owned an SR9 and mine did not have any of the problems mentioned and it was pretty accurate at 7 to 15yds so not sure why ayoob had a problem with it..the trigger does need to be improved but so as the glocks and xds..
 
I agree on the charging money for sending a part when the problem is their fault.
My opinion is that if you already paid for the gun, you shouldn't have to pay any more for the gun.
Any repairs, parts, or shipping both ways should be covered by the manufacturer. Actually, I think they should send you a loaner gun to use while they fix your defective gun. Or dispatch a repair team to your house to fix your gun.
They should bend over backwards to alleviate the stress and aggrivation that they have caused you.


I just bought a 10/22 that also had reliability issues - fixed them myself just to avoid sending it back and dealing with the hassle. This BS of shipping out defective guns to people and then just expecting the customer to eat the cost is really getting old.
BTW - that isn't a slam on Ruger (I didn't even call them about my problem). It's just a comment on the gun industry in general.
 
I like my SR-9 just fine.... good handling weapon. Great grip smooth lines and accurate. Shoots as good as my XDserv.-9. Trigger is not as good but its getting better.
 
Obviously M. Ayoob got an example of the marvels of mass production and statistical process control, commonly termed a lemon.
Mas' review reflects exactly what I've seen personally, and what every customer who has purchased an SR9 from me have reported.
I think what we have here is a matter of perspective. Shooters who are wet behind the ears and don't have a lot of trigger time behind a lot of different guns might think the SR9 is just fine, compared to things like Hi Points, Bersas, Cobras, Cat-9's, other Ruger Autos and the like.

FINALLY, an honest review in G&A... and I might add, that this review counters the SR9 review a couple months back.

Kudos, Mas!
 
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