Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
In another thread on factory versus handloads where the issues of legalities and potential pitfalls of using handloads in a self defense shooting, I noted the problem as being an "Ayoobian Fallacy" along with others such as 1911s bad for self defense because they are hard to defend in court (Ayoob's lawyer claimed this and Ayoob discussed the issue recently in one of the gun rags), light triggers will get you in trouble in court, don't use a race gun, your gun better be a stock model, etc.
Without wasting bandwidth on posting other sorts of things like opinions, or what you heard your brother-in-law's cousin's lawyer say while drinking after shooting ducks on a camping trip at high altitude, or what you read in some other forum that somebody believed to be true, without all that garbage, can anybody post justified self defense shooting cases or subsequent civil cases to the justified self defense shooting where it was the trigger, gun type, ammo type, or other supposed attribute or factor that caused the case to be turned against the self defense shooter?
I think it is all gunlore, propogated by Ayoob and a bunch of lawyers in some sort of manner so as to make gun owners paranoid and believe in the needs for lawyer services over unrealistic concerns. There are very valid reasons for lawyers, don't get me wrong, but not because of ammo choice. Sadly, this crap has gone on so long that it has become a part of the working knowledge of gun owners and many assume it to be true without ever verifying anything themselves. This is what is called a myth.
So, all I am asking is that if you have an exception example to my loudmouthed challenge, post it here with the basic summary, case information (who v. who, city, state, date, and any other relevant information) so that it can be independently verified by those of us who wish to read the information ourselves, and ideally a LINK if the information is on-line. If not on-line, then much can be garnished through basic information requests or FOI requests.
Without wasting bandwidth on posting other sorts of things like opinions, or what you heard your brother-in-law's cousin's lawyer say while drinking after shooting ducks on a camping trip at high altitude, or what you read in some other forum that somebody believed to be true, without all that garbage, can anybody post justified self defense shooting cases or subsequent civil cases to the justified self defense shooting where it was the trigger, gun type, ammo type, or other supposed attribute or factor that caused the case to be turned against the self defense shooter?
I think it is all gunlore, propogated by Ayoob and a bunch of lawyers in some sort of manner so as to make gun owners paranoid and believe in the needs for lawyer services over unrealistic concerns. There are very valid reasons for lawyers, don't get me wrong, but not because of ammo choice. Sadly, this crap has gone on so long that it has become a part of the working knowledge of gun owners and many assume it to be true without ever verifying anything themselves. This is what is called a myth.
So, all I am asking is that if you have an exception example to my loudmouthed challenge, post it here with the basic summary, case information (who v. who, city, state, date, and any other relevant information) so that it can be independently verified by those of us who wish to read the information ourselves, and ideally a LINK if the information is on-line. If not on-line, then much can be garnished through basic information requests or FOI requests.