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AZ: House OKs bill to eliminate gun refresher training

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  1. Desertdog

    Desertdog Member

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    House OKs bill to eliminate gun refresher training
    http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4472689


    A year after cutting in half the refresher training required for renewing a permit to carry a concealed weapon, the Arizona Legislature may eliminate the requirement altogether.


    The House on Tuesday voted to delete the rule making permit holders get two hours of refresher training on gun safety, updates on weapons laws and other topics.

    The bill (HB2074) now goes to the Senate.

    Arizona had 72,823 active permits as of November, and the state is among 44 that require a permit to carry a concealed firearm, according to a legislative staff memo.

    A first-time applicant for a permit, which is good for five years, must complete a state-approved firearms safety training program, submit fingerprints for a criminal history check and pay a fee. Renewals also require criminal background checks but only the first renewal requires submission of a fresh set of fingerprints.

    Supporters of the bill said eliminating the requirement for refresher training is in accord with the right to bear arms afforded by the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment.

    "It doesn't say you can bear arms if you've taken a class or understand the change in the laws. It says you have a right to bear arms," said Rep. Pamela Gorman, a Republican from Anthem, an unincorporated community north of Phoenix.

    Critics said the refresher training is important for gun safety and that legislators should leave the requirement intact until any effects of last year's reduction from four hours can be measured.

    "We're stepping ahead of ourselves," said Rep. Steve Gallardo, D-Phoenix.
     
  2. fourays2

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    I am so glad I voted for her, pro-gun and real easy on the eye too:D
     
  3. britinaz

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    I got a great response from Pamela

    I wrote:

    Way to go Pamela!!



    How refreshing to hear support on the grounds of the 2nd amendment!!



    It is considered reasonable to keep oneself updated on traffic laws and rule changes, the CCW laws are the gun owners responsibility too.



    If you can scrap the CCW requirement altogether I’ll work on your presidential campaign.



    Thanks Again

    She wrote back:

    Thank you for the kind words of encouragement. I do believe that is the direction we are heading. It is nuts to me that you can wear your weapon on the outside of your clothing with full rights, but if you change your fashion and your clothing falls over it, there is an avalanche of new restrictions. Why am I suddenly a more law-abiding citizen with a gun that shows? The answer is that I am actually equally law-abiding and therefore should not have to register myself as a person who owns a weapon or pass some meaningless accuracy test with a weapon that I may not even choose to carry (Arizona does not require you to qualify on the same weapon you carry, so the target shooting requirement is incredibly silly. You can qualify shooting a .22 revolver and then pack a .45 semi that you have never fired).

    Personally, I just consider carrying concealed to be a more "polite" way to carry and it bugs me that I and other CCW folks are treated like a danger to society because we choose to keep our self-protection hidden unless needed.

    Incidentally, I would love to see even a single example of someone carrying out a crime or for that matter even being involved in a shooting accident while their gun is still concealed. That would take a greater amount of dexterity than anyone I know has.

    Have a wonderful day!

    Her webpage and bio are very sincere. What a friend we have in our legislature!
     
  4. Lennyjoe

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    Figures, after I spend $40 for a refresher class they will come out with this bill. After your 2nd renewal you don't have to take any other classes either.
     
  5. Standing Wolf

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    Those are the same "critics" who would have sided with the British in 1776, pending further "studies."
     
  6. fiveoboy01

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    Wow, a woman with some common sense!! It's amazing how few legislators have that trait these days...

    And yes, she sure is a beautiful woman, too:)
     
  7. AZRickD

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    From her web page...
    Ya mean she's a freedom-fighter and purdy, too?

    Well, I guess so... :)


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    Sorry, boys, she's taken. And her hubby carries. :)

    State Rep Pamela Gorman pgorman@azleg.gov

    Her web page... http://www.azleg.state.az.us/MembersPage.asp?Member_ID=20
     
  8. AZLibertarian

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    If I could do it without forcing it, I'd like to find a way to encourage more CCWers to go out and practice. While I welcome this proposed change, I think there are far too many CCWers who simply don't practice.

    And before we get too far ahead of ourselves, and since we're comparing "Hot Chicks in Government", let's remember that another there's another "Babe" in town who might not support this.
     
  9. AZRickD

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    Argh, ahhghg, AHHHGGHHH !!!

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    Arizona's "moderate" governor, Janet Napolitano.

    Anita Hill's attorney.

    Appointed US Attorney in Arizona by Bill Clinton.

    Ran for Arizona Atty Gen against a weak GOPer and won.

    Ran for Governor against a weak GOPer and won.

    Has been trying to cast herself as a moderate (especially on guns) ever since, and has brought Democrats to her woodshed in an effort to impress upon them that she does not want a pro-gun bill on her desk that would force her to veto (her words, according to one lobbyist).

    Rick
     
  10. Lennyjoe

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    Hey, why did you put a picture of Mrs. Veto? :neener:
     
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    "Jan the Man" is a bane on this state and our country. It will be a great day when she leaves office.

    Back on topic though, I practice plenty without the state telling me when I need too. I agree more CCW holders should practice more, but it should be because they want to not because they have to.
     
  12. britinaz

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    Not this British!!!:)
     
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    More then this, we need a bill that gets rid of our moronic limitations that don't allow you to go to decent restaurant (Read any liquor) while CCW'ing.
     
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    the sooner janet goes back to coaching the Phoenix Mercury (WNBA) the better.
     
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    Just looked at my E-Mail. Had a letter from were I got my CCW wanting me to work against the bill. Guess when you make money teaching classes you look at the 2nd amendment different. For them to send out something like that makes them no better then Brady in my book. What do you think?
     
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    This is understandable. After all, if it passes they only have you as a student one time, not everytime it is up for renewal.
    Big cut back on business.

    What if AZ become #3 no permit state? They will really be against that.
     
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    Agreed.
    This is DOA as soon as it hit's Gov Janet's desk.
    I'm not so sure I would not support her on this one.
    It seems silly to me to make you go through initial training without refresher.
    I learned several new things about current case law concerning CCW at my last re-up.

    If you are going to go this route, then make the law like Vermount's!!!
     
  18. AZLibertarian

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    As most here will remember, this has been vetoed once already by our dear governor.
     
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    maybe not, janet has to portray her(him?)self as being supportive of gun rights, we all know that the inevitable photo-op of her shooting Quail is just around the corner in time for the november re-election bid.
     
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    Keep fighting, Arizona. Best wishes.:)
     
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    A few keep introducing the permitless carry every year, and every year it gets a little farther...we did slash CCW traiing, extend the permit time period, and allow firearms training in public schools, with mandatory range time to pass.
    Now we should go Alaska carry, (permit available for states that have reciprocity, just not neccesary instate.), and require firearms training in public school! Hey, drivers ed is mandatory!
     
  22. AZRickD

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    FourRayz has it correctly...
    Janet does not want to see this bill on her desk. She wants to keep the illusion that she is a moderate. This bill isn't making her feel all warm and fuzzy right now.

    If I had to predict, I think she is going to gamble that a veto will hurt her less as she balances out the fallacy of her constituency.

    Rick
     
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    Cold, political calculation

    This is all you have to know about Janet Napolireno, who wants to be your next Vice President...

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184531,00.html
     
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    That's enough for me - I can spare a couple of hours to re-up.
     
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