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'Backdoor' gunshops?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DevLcL, Apr 3, 2006.

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  1. DevLcL

    DevLcL Member

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    Maybe its just me, but I've NEVER seen one of those little hole in the wall gunshop/pawnshop type deals where you can give the guy a wedding ring (or something like that) for a snubby .38 (or something like that). You know the kind, dark, depressing, probably doesn't smell to good, metal cage between vendor and customer. I've only ever seen this in the movies or tv shows... maybe this is the reason? I'm also assuming if they ever did exists, most, if not all, have probably been closed due to legal issues (like the owner going to prison).

    Any comments?

    -Dev
     
  2. Kodiaz

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    What your talking about only exists in 2 places;

    1. the movies

    2. the minds of liberals


    These things don't exist there may be small gunshops there may even be kitchen counter FFL's but noone is going to take a ring for a legal firearm.
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    I've never seen one, but I'm thinking of opening one. Would you patronize it?
     
  4. Ohen Cepel

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    It seems to be Hollywood BS. I have been in some nasty places and have never seen a shop like mentioned.

    I'm sure there are some scumbags out there selling stolen stuff out of a trunk but don't think there are all of these illegal "gun shops".

    Besides, if there were, I'm sure the BATF would have protected us from them rather then harassing the legal dealers like they are now.
     
  5. Zundfolge

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    Actually at most pawn shops you could trade jewelry for firearms ... of course you're still going to have to fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check.

    I've been in several pawn shops that smelled bad and where dirty and depressing ... and I'm sure there are pawn shops out there with metal bars between the clerk and the customers.
     
  6. Chris Rhines

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    I've taken silver bullion in exchange for a firearm transfer, does that count? :D

    - Chris
     
  7. Don Gwinn

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    I'd never been in a gas station with a solid wall of thick ballistic glass with only a non-access drawer for payment and receipt of merchandise before I went to Chicago for the Roderick Pritchett trial.

    I have no trouble imagining that there's a pawn shop in that neighborhood with similar precautions. Imagine living there . . . .
     
  8. Zundfolge

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    *shudder*
     
  9. Kharn

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    One of the liquor stores a friend frequents has a lazy-susan type pass-through so you can send the liquor to the clerk, he can ring it up and bag it, and spin it back around after you pass your money through the slot or swiped your credit/debit card. I wonder how much that cylinder of ballistic glass cost him. :what:

    Kharn
     
  10. XavierBreath

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    It is commonplace in the Orient for pawn shops to have a metal grate between patron and proprietor. The proprietor is seated above the patron and the items/cash is passed through a small hole. It is almost like a confessional. The whole idea is to protect the identity of the patron. When I was in Hong Kong and Ropongi among other places, I would trade at these types of shops.

    Here in the States, I have been in a couple of pawn shops that had metal grates between patron and proprietor, for other, more familiar reasons. I have also traded items for guns, but as Zundfolge said, you still go through NICS in the United States.

    Pawn shops have a lot to lose by violating the law. Not only are they FFL holders, but they are also liscensed financial institutions and hold state licenses for pawn broking. Of course, they also hold a business license. These licenses are very lucrative, and someone who has them would be a fool to jeopardize them fencing stolen merchandise. It's simply not necessary. When you consider that most sheriff's offices have a pawn detail that does periodic checks of pawn shop inventories in their jurisdiction, very few businesses get scrutinized like a pawn broker.

    But yes, there are places where you can hand a ring through a grate and use it to get a gun. You might trade a 18K ring for a Lorcin, and you will have to go through NICS, but if you want to, you can find the deal.
     
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    I've seen one of those in a freaky part of a freaky town!

    I've been to a few gun shops that have the double-door type of thing where they have to buzz you in through the first metal door, you're trapped in between, and then they let you out or something like that.

    I'm sure there are some dirty pawn shops somewhere that will take a wedding ring for a cheap snubby. I'm equally sure that they have to go through DROS just like any other dealer. If they didn't they would be shut down and hauled off to prison in short order.
     
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    I been to a KFC in Oakland, Ca. that was like this.
     
  13. david_the_greek

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    haha everyone who wants to see shady smelly bulletproof glass/caged pawn shows and gas stations come to Detroit. even the fast food places have full bullet proof glass etc.
     
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    ...as do the finer hotels in the Elizabeth/Newark areas:neener:
     
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    The police here hated the real convenient pawn shops... open 24/7 with a drive-thru window.
     
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    They exist in the movie "Payback".:D

    Now let's all pause for a moment of silence and think of Lucy Liu.:cool:
     
  17. TrapperReady

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    I want the Army Surplus store from Commando.

    The ones around here just have overpriced 550 cord, musty old BDUs, German Army wife-beater T's, and a couple mangled 20-round M-16 magazines. Oh yeah, and lots of "Kill 'Em All/Let God Sort 'Em Out" shirts in XXXL. :rolleyes:
     
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    Here in Seattle, there is at least one pawnshop on first avenue that deals in weapons. It is, in fact, old and it smells bad.

    I've never seen a bullet proof partition in a pawnshop.

    Out on Aurora, we even have a place called "Upscale Pawnshop", or something.

    A pawnshop, new, clean and nice, for yuppies. :D
     
  19. Ala Dan

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    Hell, at our local "STOP AND ROB" the teller sits behind thick ballistic
    glass with a "No Open" cash draw~!:uhoh: They galdly will take your
    money and turn on the pumps~!:D However, pawn shops that once
    flourished here locally have now long since been gone. I guess "mom
    and pop" got tired of being robbed~?
     
  20. AJ Dual

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    LOL!

    Most of THR is not familiar with the Milwaukee Metro. But for those who are, near the corner of 76th and Coldspring a new "Popeye's" fried chicken fast-food joint opened up. They had the exact same "bulletproof airlock" arrangment on thier drive-thru window.

    Never having Popeye's chicken, my wife and I drove through and were completely :confused: as the neighborhood is about as safely suburban as it gets in the Milwaukee metro, save perhaps for the truly hoidy-toidy "mini mansion" areas. Every other fast food joint within ten miles of this Popeye's gets by fine with just a regular window.

    Our only guess is that the parts of town where Popeye's are usualy found doing business need the bulletproof drive-thru, and it's just S.O.P. for a Popeye's to have one no matter where it is. :p
     
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    A few years back I got stuck in a motel in Portland. The desk clerk was behind bulletproof glass.

    The room had graffiti on the walls, and the bathroom was covered in mold.

    Slept in my clothes with my .357 next to me.
     
  22. Kharn

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    El Tejon:
    The one from Payback was the exact one I thought of when reading this thread.

    Kharn
     
  23. pete f

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    Yeah i have been to many pawn shops like that. Chicago had several. After getting robbed once on a job site. I went looking found my tools in the second or third one I went in to. Made the mistake of looking too hard at only my tools, but the cops got there, either the cops had called him and told him to hide them or he was smart enough to notice but all the tools were off the shelf by the time the cops took a leisurely look around. The next morning I had the pawn shops owners caddy towed away, then offered him a trade. But then, at that time, as they say, I knew people, so it got worked out.

    Re Popeyes and KFC> it seems like a common thing, in some outrageous areas. I saw a KFC with the cash drawer type of thing at one near Ft meyers FLA, I asked about it seeing the locale was decidedly upscale and he said it was a corporately owned store and all stores owned by the corporation were insured and thus constructed the same.
     
  24. doggscube

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    I went to a convenience store in SE DC which had a plexiglass "hallway" for customer access. Walk up to the clerk, $ and goods exchanged through a drawer. At no point in time is there open air between you and the rest of the shop.

    I can't believe they think that gun ban works.

    -Jeff
     
  25. El Tejon

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    Kharn, I was thinking of Lucy when I read this thread.:evil:
     
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