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Bad Cops

Discussion in 'Legal' started by dillonuser, Feb 7, 2006.

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  1. dillonuser

    dillonuser Member

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    For your reading pleasure about some of the "fantastic" police officers we have in Utah:
    http://www.slweekly.com/article.cfm/copout

    As you read the article you will read statements from the new police chief of South Salt Lake, he is one of the worst I have ever seen.

    I am not biased against police or law enforcement. But,South Salt Lake has the worst I have ever seen.
     
  2. glockamolee

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    Now look, if all branches of our government allow pedophiles (priests and otherwise) easy sentences or no sentences at all, why should any of us be surprised at this filth.

    I'm not jumping down your throat, just venting about long standing "standards" that police and persons in a position of trust break with impunity.
     
  3. Old Dog

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    Wow, if this isn't trolling for another cop-bashing thread, I don't know what is ...

    Plenty of other folks in "public trust positions" (teachers, childcare workers, social workers, physicians, healthcare workers, librarians, firemen, military personnel, etc.) who get away with child sex abuse or other heinous offenses for far too long .... Don't see people starting threads about them on this forum.

    Give it a rest, folks.

    And yeah, I think you're biased. What other reason for starting this thread?
     
  4. glockamolee

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    I couldn't agree with you more, Old Dog. It angers me when ANY person, regardless of profession, abuses their trust. I feel that ALL individuals (not professions), that abuse their trust SHOULD be bashed. Hurting kids is more heinous, than say, bank robbery.
     
  5. telomerase

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    Well, at least it got into the press. Lots of cities have police scandals that take years to see the light of day. Dallas PD was planting "drugs" on Mexicans in Oak Cliff for three years before anyone called them on it (the county lab finally tested some of the "drugs"... turned out they deported 200 people for billiard chalk).
     
  6. Roundeyesamurai

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    Yes, your statement is biased.

    The article is also biased.

    Then again, I know one of the police officers mentioned in the article, and based on what I know of that individual, you're probably not being too biased, at least in regards to this particular department.

    Remember, though, that there are some 17,000 police departments in the United States.

    EDIT TO ADD: Correction, I know two of them.
     
  7. Jeff White

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    Assumptions

    Well by THR Legal and Political Logic, all school superintendents are criminals:
    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...8EC482618656BDA98625710A005603FA?OpenDocument
    Your physician is probably a drunk who tries to get himself out of trouble by impersonating a police officer:
    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...090763DDCDF50516862571090013129F?OpenDocument
    Truck drivers are indequately traing and a hazard to the motoring public:
    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...C4A037FC3CA588368625710E00540B2A?OpenDocument
    A search of the St Louis Post Dispatch from the last 7 days rbought up these damning expose's of all these other professions......Yet no one ever talks about them.

    The fact is, that there are good and bad people in every profession, but some people just can't get past their personal prejudices........

    Jeff
     
  8. buzz_knox

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    Yup. That's why making comments about individual bad cops or concerns about trends gets referred to as cop bashing. It's also why civilians are often told to shut up about videos of police brutality, with the explanation that we don't know anything and couldn't hack being a cop, don't have the training, etc., etc., so we should just mind our own business. It's also why some are quick to judge civilians, but demand that cops be given more than the normal benefit of the doubt. I think my current "favorite" statement is "I will never question the actions of a cop."

    It goes both ways, Jeff. I've got no problem "bashing" bad lawyers, but I know many cops who would not under any circumstance say a wrong thing about another officer.
     
  9. Skeptic

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    Aren't police officers civilians as well? My understanding is that unless you are a member of the military (wearing the uniform of said military) you are a civilian. Oh, and I have no problem "bashing" fed gov employees (like myself)... man do I have lots of targets!!! :neener:
     
  10. buzz_knox

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    The definition of civilian varies depending on which dictionary you refer to. Some say it is anyone who is not military, some say it is anyone who is not military or police. So, it's not worth fighting over. As for officers being civilians, that also depends on which cop. Some agree with that, and some act as if calling them a civilian is demeaning to them.

    As for being a fed, same here.
     
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    Thanks Buzz. :)
     
  12. 12-34hom

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    Dillonuser stated
    B.S.

    But, you will find numerous members here who are and just love a good cop bashing thread, so hang on to all your tin foil hats...;)
     
  13. M-Rex

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    What?

    A cop bashing thread on 'The High Road'?

    Say it isn't so.:barf: :rolleyes:
     
  14. TrapperReady

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    Jeff - I wholeheartedly agree with your premise, but to be fair, there is a significant amount of physician-bashing that goes on here as well. Not as much as LEOs, but you're not alone in being grossly generalized on THR.
     
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    The difference is that a truck-driver or school superintendent who mucks about will have the full force of the law land on him. Such is not always the case with cops, which is what breeds the resentment.
     
  16. Lupinus

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    Yeeeep, us serfs should just shut up and move along, cop took a drunk teen (legal teen, but still teen) back home agianst her will on threat of going to jail if she didn't and when she passed out did got knows what to her. Please, if anyone but a cop had brought a drunk girl home with stiff or else persuading waited till she passed out to have our way with her and then when she came too said it was rape our ass would be in a jail cell before the feeling faded.

    The reason you see so many "cop basishing" threads here is because (aside from maybe the Catholic church and their own) the cops around here are the first to jump to the aid of ahole cops with no defense other then its cop bashing to post one more time cops are not always good little justice angels. I could go on with some statements and comments about some of the cops who have come on this thread and things they have posted in other threads, but really whats the point, afterall pointing out power trip comments would just be more cop bashing.

    Yes every profession has aholes and I have yet to see anyone say they don't. But few are so willing to jump to the aid of others in that profession or a profession where so many of them can get away with murder....sometimes literaly.
     
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    Can someone translate this into Understandablese? :banghead:
     
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    It's called around here you point out something bad a cop did and you get officers rushing in to call you a cop basher. Doesn't seem to matter what the cop did, if you make note of the fact not all cops are little angels and actually point that fact out you get people calling you a cop basher.
     
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    It's be interesting and helpful to someday have a discussion about the existence of that subclass of law enforcement which commits crimes without one side calling the existence of said group proof that all cops are bad, and the other side saying the conversation itself is cop bashing.

    However, hopes for such a conversation swiftly fade when we consider how polarized both sides are, and how much worse it seems to be getting.
     
  21. dillonuser

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    You appears have a problem with pointing fingers and making assumptions.
    I do not "bash" cops. I live in South Salt Lake and can tell you from experience they do NOT do their job.

    In 1977 a Salt Lake City Police officer named Darrel Goodrich saved my life.I was involved in a motorcycle accident due to a dumb automobile driver. I was on life support for 7+ days. Stayed in the hospital for 3+ weeks. Had a broken neck,jaws,ribs,you name it,it was broken.
    After I got out of the hospital I decided one night to take a walk.Cops stopped demanding to know where I was going and why I was walking down the road. During this same time, people were racing down the road,but no, the cops don't stop them the stop me. Why? I had long hair.....

    Last year I tried to get them to stop excessive noise coming from a business. The response was "you can't do anything if it's a business" That is wrong,per the mayor and city council. There is a noise ordinance in place. Do the police officers enforce it? NO.

    Do I have an attitude about the South Salt Lake Police department? Yes,and the majority of my neighbors share the same attitude. Why? They don't do anything. Even one of the prior mayors thinks they are trash.
     
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    Jeff, did you even *BOTHER* to read your citations? If you had, you ought to have noticed one major difference. Here, let me quote them for you.

    Byrnes, 55, was arrested at the woman's Lake Saint Louis home Wednesday night. He has been charged with misdemeanor counts of patronizing prostitution and stalking.

    Dr. Charles Earnshaw Jr. of Alton was charged Tuesday. He was arrested Saturday night in the drive-through lane of an Arby's restaurant in Bethalto. Earnshaw had veered off Illinois Route 140, crossed a grass strip and struck a mailbox in front of the restaurant with his pickup just before 10 p.m., said Bethalto Police Chief Alan Winslow.

    Police arrested Thomas Miskel, 43, of Imperial, on Monday and brought him to the St. Louis County Justice Center in Clayton, where bond was set at $100,000.

    Notice the difference? These three were arrested and charged and treated like any other citizen.

    The police officer *however* was not.


    THAT is the difference. THAT is what I personally object to, time after time. This special treatment that they give police officers. This special system of "justice". It has less to do about the actions of the individual who commits a crime. It has to do entirely on how they "police" their own.

    Can't you understand why private citizens would be so concerned about this? This is not "cop bashing", this is no different than the civil rights movement, wanting equal protection and due process for everyone equally.
     
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    Cry me a river, well at least one officer was doing his job....

    Pointing fingers, i call em like i read em. or just taking the trash out.

    12-34hom.
     
  24. Lupinus

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    Dill- It isn't an isolated thing either.
     
  25. Roundeyesamurai

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    You know, one of the things I find personally objectionable about (too many) people, is their purported clairvoyance. Particularly, the fact that so many people are aware of every piece of evidence in a case, every legal issue involved, and are able to "KNOW" exactly whether a person is guilty or not, just from a newspaper article or TV broadcast.

    How do YOU know whether there was sufficient evidence to arrest him for a violation of law?

    How do YOU know that the victim's statement is factual?

    Did you participate in the investigation of the alleged offense?

    You see, you're talking about civil rights being violated- and when it comes to civil rights in criminal matters, the most basic right is this:

    A person is presumed innocent until proved guilty.

    "Civil rights" appears, to you, to not apply to those with whom you have disagreement. You'd prefer to make them "civil privileges", applicable only to those whom you favor.

    The best course of action in this case would be independent investigation by the State. Let someone not associated with the agency in question investigate whether a crime was committed or not.

    Trial by media, as has happened in this instance, does nothing but inflame people (as evidenced by this thread).

    "We all know he's guilty" is the sentiment of a lynch mob, not a people interested in civil rights.
     
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