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Bad News for Gun Owners

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Apr 5, 2007.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Member

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    Hmmm.....I wonder why they call them "Gun Enthusiasts" instead of what they really are, "CRIMINALS".

    They give us all a bad name.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17964382/


     
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  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Nothing represents responsible gun ownership like a "No Shooting" sign riddled with bullet holes. :rolleyes:

    People like this disgust me. Again, we are our own worst enemy.
     
  3. Exmasonite

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    honestly, that's just stupid. if i were in charge, i'd tell the tanks to return fire. that'll shut up those morons.

    they should get that new bullet vectoring system that was on Future Weapons last week... that'll help to figure out where the shots are coming from.

    more fodder for the sheeple... damn.
     
  4. gripper

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    Have they actually CAUGHT any of the idiots that were doing this?? If you,I wonder about their status(both immigration and criminal),and if in fact they were ALREADTY criminals.
     
  5. PotatoJudge

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    Well, people are ignoring the ban in one area and they're planning on fixing that by banning guns in a nearby area. That's about as bright as shooting protected birds and National Guard tanks.

    They spelled raptor wrong, too. The world is full of idiots.
     
  6. mbt2001

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    Sorry, but I don't believe the article. This is crap. Perhaps some kids with BB / pellet guns, or even adults with BB guns... I think that there is much more to the story than we are hearing.

    Also, there National Guard buddies could be the ones doing it... I don't see the remanants of any kind of investigation here, just speculation.
     
  7. Colt

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    That information wouldn't support their anti-gun legislative attempts. In nearby Philadelphia, each homocide shooting renews the politicians' lament that "we need stricter gun laws." They never tell you that all those involved were already breaking existing laws, and possessed their firearms illegally.

    Two years ago when there were like 9 homocides in one week, the moron Mayor, Street, called for legislation prohibiting CCW licenses within city limits. Hello! It wasn't CCW holders that were involved. Those involved had possession of guns illegally. All the CCW restrictions would do is strip the law-abiding residents of the ability to defend themselves.
     
  8. Geronimo45

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    I don't get it. I can see shooting a 'no shooting' sign. I can see blasting away at protected species just 'cause they're a protected species. Those two things make sense - they're pretty dumb, but they do have an understandable warped logic to 'em. I can't see why you'd shoot at a tank, though - I guess it's a few guys chugging beers and shootin' anything that moves.
     
  9. bogie

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    I _could_ see a coupla groups of guardmen "testing" equipment... Sometimes I think that getting more than three people wearing tree suits together in one place without benefit of at least E-7 supervision drops the collective IQ by at least a third (more if a butterbar is involved).
     
  10. bogie

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    If I'm at the driving range making people laugh at my golf swing, I aim for the guy out there in the ball sucking buggy...
     
  11. tmajors

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    Well there isn't a no shooting sign out at the National Guard range. I'd have to drive out there again to find the exact wording, but it's a HUGE sign that says something like

    "Shooters: Clean up your brass and your trash, don't shoot the animals, practice safe gun handling. If your found out being stupid we'll turn our tank turrets on your $50,000 SUV and open fire"

    Okay well not really about the tanks and the SUV, but clearly states what you can and can't shoot at, and states what the punishment is if your caught. One thing I do agree with though is that they need a few more guys out there patrolling, sometimes (mostly on weekends) it's just downright unsafe to shoot out there.

    To further clarify, the area that rifles and handguns are banned is adjacent to the National Guard "shooting area". This article really makes it sound like they are the same area. If I remember part of the sign says "no shooting allowed west of this road" or something like that.
     
  12. DoubleTapDrew

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    If the article is true (which considering how blatantly anti-gun it was, I'm skeptical) they should have a sign about that. "Warning: If you fire upon the National Guard, they have been authorized to return fire"
     
  13. tmajors

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    The green area enclosed by the darker line in the center of the big green area is the National Guard Maneuver area.

    The orange area (Snake River Canyon) is where rifle and pistols are restricted.

    Notice that if someone is in the non-shooting area, there is no way in HELL they are managing to shoot tanks. This article is simply fraught with misinformation and inaccuracies.
     
  14. El Tejon

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    It truly astounds me that people can use someone's land to go shooting. I've always paid my own way. I find it disgusting that people who are labelled "shooters" act this way.:mad:
     
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    Here's a thought...catch the criminals and prosecute them to Hades and back. Leave the law-abiding gun owners alone. Why do these fools insist on classifying all gun owners as potential criminals, and punishing us, for their stupidity?!

    If this is such a persistent problem, send up some unmanned drones and find these fools. Heck, arm the drones and return fire...case closed, and prosecution money saved. Furthermore, the military has the tools to identify the location from which a shot is launched. Use the equipment.

    This is a good example of not being able to "see" the problem’s resolution per a failure to extricate their cranium from their orifice.
     
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    I don't believe it's the land of an individual rancher being used for shooting. The rancher states it's "open range" meaning it is government (Probably BLM) land he has leased for grazing. These lands are open to the public and should be as that is who owns it. Sometimes ranchers who lease the grazing rights think they can put locks and no trespassing signs on the gates. Since most people don't know it's actually BLM or Forest Service land they stay off. I like to check out the land use maps though and can usually tell when it's really public land and not private. This of course doesn't excuse shooting somebody's stock, signs, and er...tanks!
     
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    That is a stunner. What kind of moron goes around shooting at a tank with someone in it? It is a tank but someone could still get hurt or killed if they opened a hatch at the wrong time or were out taking a leak. Shooting could still damage the $40,000,000 tank in any case. I would say it is attempted murder and destruction of government property...

    Were it my unit I would have the appropriate authorities out there with helicopters and SUVs out to catch the idiots and put them in prison for just about forever. Then make them pay $ to repair the armored vehicles.
     
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    EL TEJON - "It truly astounds me that people can use someone's land to go shooting. I've always paid my own way."

    El Tejon, you might take another look at the article. The land is BLM land, which means it is owned by you, me, the people. A rancher may purchase a "grazing right" for his cattle or sheep, but that does NOT mean he owns the BLM land. It means merely that he can run his cattle and sheep on that land for a fee. Anyone can still hunt and recreate on that land.

    As for the article itself, remember that it is an MSNBC article, and that outfit is well known as an extremely left wing, anti-guns, anti-hunting organization.

    I live in Boise and have been on much of that BLM land several times. I've not seen or heard of any of this in the article, although I certainly might have missed an incident or two. Point is, somewhere along the line, some of the gun owners/hunters, etc., I know, would have mentioned that the N.G. is "concerned" about "gun entusiasts" shooting at their poor little tanks down on the remote BLM land.

    Notice that N.G. spokesman LTC Dowling DID NOT offer any evidence (copper jackets, smashed lead bullets, etc.), nor did she refer to even one specific incident of said "attacks" on her tanks.

    Nor did Sullivan offer one specific incident where "gun enthusiasts" are killing the protected eagles, hawks, falcons, and owls, at the Birds of Prey Refuge. Not one! He just "estimates" there are a bunch of killed birds out there, but just can't document it. Hmmmmmmmm.


    "WWIII on the weekends"??? Not the various weekends I've been down there. Sure, you'll hear a few shots, but "WWIII??" Not hardly. But, it sounds not only ominous, but great on MSNBC, doesn't it?

    I have a great deal of skepticism about ANYTHING that comes out of MSNBC.

    L.W.
     
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    I can't stop laughing at the phrase "squirrel gunner."
     
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    When bullets start pinging...

    of the tanks, the NG should let Ma do their talking........chris3
     
  21. PotatoJudge

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    It's an AP article that's been picked up by a couple newspapers and an ABC affiliate. It's not like MSNBC wrote it, but they did choose to pick it up. I agree that it's a biased and poorly written article.

    Not how an unbiased article begins.
     
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    I'm quite a bit jealous out here in MD, there is no way we can shoot on the kings land, crappy indoor pistol ranges are the name of the game out here, the arcticle did seem somewhat sensational, too bad it always takes a few bad apples to spoil it for everyone, especially when the media is involved
     
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    All that free 'range' land... makes a Texan cry.
     
  24. El Tejon

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    Leanwolf, no, I understand it is someone's land, Uncle Sugar's land. If you use taxpayer land, you are getting a free ride on someone else's dime. I have always shot on my own dime.

    While I find it amazing that other shooters do this (get free lunches), I am outraged that other shooters behave like this.:fire: To think that I pay their way for them to behave this way out there!!!

    Disgusting, but probably par for the course in the Welfare/Nanny State that we live in. If "everyone" owns it, who cares what happens.:banghead: I would sell all BLM land off tomorrow if I ran the world.
     
  25. Leanwolf

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    EL TEJON - "Leanwolf, no, I understand it is someone's land, Uncle Sugar's land. If you use taxpayer land, you are getting a free ride on someone else's dime. I have always shot on my own dime."

    I happen to be a taxpayer, therefore it is MY land. I use it, as I have a right to use MY land. So how am I getting a free ride on someone else's dime?????

    You mean you've never hunted on, target shot on, or camped or fished on National Forest land, or Wilderness land, BLM land, or any State Forest lands??? Were it not for those areas, very, very few people could ever afford to hunt, or recreate, anywhere.

    If all our public land were sold off, I believe that 99% of it would end up in the pockets of George Soros, Ted Turner, Diane Feinstein, Teddy Kennedy, Bill Gates, some of the Mega Millionaire Marxists and Billionaire Bolsheviks of Hollywood, etc., etc., etc., and then virtually no one would be allowed to hunt. Only the very few in "favor" with the King.

    L.W.
     
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