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Balanced Article on Open Carry in the NY Times

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Speedo66, Mar 8, 2010.

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  1. Speedo66

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    Just saw this, and it's pretty fairly written.

    It includes Starbuck's reasoning on their open carry decision, and some positive comments about open carry by another business owner.

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of open carry for some the reasons mentioned in the article. But I understand its use as pressure to gain concealed carry.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/us/08guns.html?hp
     
  2. Shung

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    1st of April is a long way to go :p , you won't fool me..
     
  3. ClayInTX

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    What I liked about the article, and was surprised by, is the NY times seemed unbiased in its reporting.

    Texas does not allow open carry but I wish it did and hope it eventually will. However, I still wouldn’t open carry should it be allowed. The benefit of open carry, for me, is that I would still be legal if someone caught sight of my gun.
     
  4. svaz

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    I support open carry. In some jurisdictions it's one's only option. However, I'd like to have (no CCW for me, yet) piece of mind without having to advertise or get State permission to exercise my right to be secure in my person from the GGs & the BGs.

    As for the article - in the NYT? Wow. Just, wow.

    Of course they couldn't have run the picture of the guy in the shirt & tie - it's got to be cammies, always cammies. Why does anyone show up to a protest/advocacy function in the single most stereotypical garb possible? Was he sporting a John Deere cap too? Maybe a CSA hubcap belt buckle to round out the ensemble?

    I'm all for creature comforts, but, damn, dress for success already.
     
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    It is pretty balanced, although it does seem to highlight the dissent among 2A supporters. But the last paragraphs are a positive close, noting that open carry is really a "non-issue."
     
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    If enough people Open-Carry it WILL become a non-issue. That is what the goal is.

    I OC and CC depending on mood and attire. While OC sometimes gets noticed, no one has said anything about it to me yet.
     
  8. shockwave

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    Very unwise. That's a serious copyright violation and NYT tends to take those seriously. No more than 3 paragraphs, max, is allowed under fair use. You expose this board to liability by reproducing content here in full without written permission. (Of course, if they gave you permission, let us know.)

    Per some other comments, the NYT is very staid, very centrist and their op-ed board has a bunch of major conservatives on it.
     
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    OK I deleted my post. Too expensive for copyright permission to post on the forum. Apologies to all concerned for that brief (less than 1 hour)period it was online. I just thought it would be easier for THR members to read here rather than open a link.
     
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    Hey - it's perfectly fine to post a key paragraph or two. That's fully legal. Then link to the original and it's all good. "Fair use" allows for that. But thanks for taking care of business - appreciated.
     
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    Yep, my wife used to write a small circulation newsletter for her office. She would often print portions of newspaper articles, with permission. Most sources gave permission for free, the NYT would charge $100.
     
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    Never really thought I'd see a day where OC would come out in a well written from the NYT. Maybe times are really changing.
     
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    Kinda disappointing that a lawyer doesn't know that there aren't, in most states, open carry laws. It's the lack of a law barring open carry that makes it legal. Being that he and I are in the same state, I have to wonder if he's ever observed anyone scared by an openly carried firearm, because that's never been my experience. I saw maybe two people that expressed anger, but never fear. Regardless, I've lost a lot of respect for the man. Ancient biases die hard, and the idea that someone endorses firearms only if it’s done their way demonstrates little more than arrogant bigotry, that’s how the term “Fud” got started. No thanks Al.

    Banks - yes
    Subways - don't have any but would
    Buses - yes
    Schools - currently illegal so no.
     
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    Is this guy serious? The only pressure on lawmakers will be to ban open carry and keep concealed carry out of reach. If all the antis stop seeing guns, they're just going to be paranoid.
     
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    43 states allow open carry in one form or another.

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    oops! how'd that happen?
     
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    So what if they do, Paul? What's wrong with that? He's asking the wrong questions...
     
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    And that's the part that cracks me up.

    Some of these antis can get real irate on the street (esp. in front of cameras) and they rant on about how they are "terrified of guns or gun people" but let's seem them rant that way to gen-u-wine gangbangers - armed or not.

    Hell no they wouldn't because they know, in their angel-pure little heart of hearts, that the guy OCing at Starbucks is not a threat, but that punk sporting the Crips tats will beat the living crap out of them, with fists, sticks, a stale bran muffin, or the Styrofoam cup of their double soy frapachino banana and broccoli latte.

    I hate prima donnas, both for their hysterics and their spineless hypocrisies.
     
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    I'd like to see some of these anti open carry protesters go to the bad side of town and rail against all the gang bangers that are carrying illegally. I guess it's easier to rant against the law abiding:barf:
     
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    I think the NYTimes has given us an endorsement. :D
     
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    That’s because it’s not about fear of firearms, but fear of liberty. Free speech is OK, as long as you’re saying what they want to hear. Freedom of religion is OK, as long as you believe in their god. These are the same people that will criticize you for not willingly allowing the police to search your car during a traffic stop, because you shouldn’t have anything to hide. Personal liberty is frightening to some, yes, even gun owners.
     
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    I am the Paul Higgins quoted in the article. Ian (the journalist) was paraphrasing there from a lengthy discussion and got the message it bit wrong. Although I forgive that as overall I feel the article is quite positive to Open Carry, particularly for the New York Times.

    You are in fact correct, that the CA legislatures response is the opposite of this, and that open carry is scarring them into attempting to pass even further restrictive and unconstitutional laws. However, if they do succeed in banning open carry, it won't keep concealed carry out of reach. Quite the opposite. Once we have 2A Incorporation, states will be forced to allow at least one form of carry, and if OC is banned then they must allow CCW. Of course, we all hope, and are working towards, both forms of carry.
     
  23. Skillet

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    Here's the article


    This article seemed almost balanced towards the gun owner's side.
    I can't believe i'm saying this, but good job NYT!
     
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