Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by pax, Mar 11, 2007.
Akin to pellets in a shotgun, lead versus nickel or copperplate.
1. Slang for FMJ ammunition
2. A type of powder (and perhipherly cartridges loaded with ball powder)
3. A round projectile for a muzzle loader.
No idea about hardball.
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Ball and Hardball
"Hardball" has come to mean .45 ACP with the Round Nose FMJ bullet, technically loaded to original USGI specs...though the term has come to mean any .45 ACP ammunition capped off with a RNFMJ bullet. "Ball" is often referenced to any FMJ bullet, but is accurately used to describe military standard ammunition...regardless of caliber. i.e. Ball, Calber .30 M2 is .30-06 with a 154-grain FMJ bullet. "Ball, Caliber .30 M1" is .30-06 with a 174-grain FMJ bullet. M2 was developed for use in the Garand, while M1...the original loading...was used in bolt-action rifles, which seems backward, but there it is.
Ball, Caliber 7.62 M80 is 7.62 nato, loaded with a 147-grain FMJ boattail bullet. Ball, Caliber 5.56 M193 is 5.56 Nato loaded with a 55-grain boattail FMJ bullet, and so on.
"Ball" has nothing to do with the shape of the bullet, but traces its origins back to "Ballistic."
Again, it seems logical to me that when ammo started to become copper jacketed, it being harder than the traditional lead ball, became "hardball."
Today it does seem to be mostly used in reference to 230 gr 45 ACP FMJ ammo.
And that is my SWAG for today.
At that time there were at least three different paper cartridge loads available.
"Ball" designated a paper cartridge loaded with powder and a single heavy round ball.
"Buck and Ball" designated a paper cartridge loaded with a single musket ball and three to six buckshot.
When revolvers became prevalent, the paper cartridges continued to be designated as "Ball" when a round ball was used and "Conical Ball" when an elongated bullet was loaded in the cartridge.
When metallic cartridges became common they were almost always loaded with conical bullets but the plain lead bullet loads were simply designated "Ball" cartridges. Sometimes you will see original commercial packaging that designates the load as "Conical Ball" but most, if not all Military packaging with simply designate the load as "Ball".
When semi automatic pistols became common and the jacketed loads were found to provide the best reliability, "Hardball" became the designation for Jacketed bullet loads.
No Military packaging I have ever seen actually uses the "Hardball" designation since it was not common to offer plain lead bullet loads in semi automatic cartridges.
The producers saved money on ink by just continuing to use the "Ball" designation on the packaging. HTH
"Hard ball" is an informal term used by target shooters, primarily shooters of the Model 1911 or its variations, to distinguish military type FMJ bullets from wad cutter, lead, soft point, or hollow point commercial loads. It is also applied to pistols ("hardball guns") set up specifically to fire millitary spec ammunition, which is harder on pistols than light target loads or light hand loads.
It seems that over time the term "softball" has gone away and "hardball" has become synonymous with standard ball ammo.
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Hardball - what we want to play with Osama and co.
I think the terms just evolve over time and take on different connotations.
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