Ballistic gelatin test results : 10mm Auto

[Soybomb]

I realize after seeing all these ballistic tests that there really isn't much of a difference between calibers these days.

I'm with you there.

They were easily the most consistent and I loved how they looked after expansion.

You don't get bonus points for aesthetics, I would personally pay closer attention to crush depth, see if it reaches what you believe to be an adequate minimum, and then consider expansion.

I'd be scared of any of the DT stuff in larger calibers...the 10mm would go right through you and make a big mess... the .45 would just straight up blow a hole in you!

DT makes some deep penetrating hunting loads but they also have some gel tests showing some excellent self defense loads that are in line with proper penetrating depths. I'm not sure that their .45 loads are really deserving of that sort of hyperbole either.

 

[JohnKSa]

You don't get bonus points for aesthetics...

True, but that kind of consistency is very encouraging (and impressive) when you consider what a violent process that bullet just went through. You're right in that the penetration and expansion numbers are really the "meat" of the results, so to speak , but I think that the very consistent results do speak to the quality of the bullet design.

What say ye John?

 

[Brass Fetcher]

John,

Thank you for asking .

I like bullets that look consistently the same after being removed from the medium. Not necessarily the same expanded diameter, but I have noticed that the more consistent performances have come from bullets that looked very similar and didn't have any pieces of lead/jacket sticking out at random. This is another reason that I like heavy and slow bullets vs. faster and lighter ... the stresses on the bullet from the gelatin/medium are easier to plan for (by the bullet designers), so the slower the bullet is, the less pieces of lead/jacket are removed at random, producing more consistent results.

 

[surjimmy]

You gotta love the 10mm. Great pics, if you want to see some nice 10mm's for sale go to randgfirearms.com been doing business with him since the 80's. Great guy, very honest.

 

[Tinmancr]

wow

that makes me love 10mm even more.
not enough guns come in 10mm and the ammo is spendy.
does anyone have any comparison of similar calibers?
I forget how resistant ballistic gel is, I usually us hard stuff steel, bowling balls, paper rolls whatever is at the range.
Ooh frozen water jugs are fun, even just water.
yeah I have noticed similar results with super high velocity ammo, as opposed to slightly slower.
too fast you get weird failures and less penetration, I always like when the bullets just disintegrate.
no good data can be gleaned from that.
what all can you get in 10mm?
glock 20 is the only one I've seen.

 

[bicyclewrench]

Kimber makes a couple.

 

[Tinmancr]

shiny

that is shiny a 10mm and probably match grade but I doubt if I will ever be able to afford a kimber.
God I held one at a gun store it was the entry level plain sights everything, and yet it was still way above any 1911 style I've seen.
I think they were selling it for $800, being poor sucks.. oh well.
thanks for the help

 

[sciether]

I have a EAA witness in 10mm, bought a compensator set up for the muzzle control, but the extra length of the barrel is nice, bought it basically for my big game back up when bowhunting in the rockies, after 2 yrs of shooting this weapon, THERE IS NOTHING I would rather have at my side to intervene in big game attack, there is no other caliber for hi power, hi capacity, mine has 2-20 rounders and 2-15, the accuracy is INCREDIBLE, like all day head shots at up 100 yards.

 

[Prosser]

Glock talk has a sticky in the 10MM forum for Double Taps results, taken out of Glocks.
DoubleTap 10mm
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"
The 10mm, with full house loads, is well above the service class pistols, and an excellent SD choice in a Glock 29, etc.

McNetts' results result in considerably more expansion then these tests, without much more penetration, except for the XTP's.

 

[KBintheSLC]

The scary part.


that sounds like a slow load.


We gotta get you some DT stuff.

It was... DT loads their 180g rounds to 1350 fps. The Remmy load shown here is ballistically closer to a .40 S&W.

 

[Prosser]

When you slow the above bullets down to .40 S&W speeds you loose quite a bit of permanent and temporary wound channel. .40 has little benefit over 9mm at this level:
DoubleTap 9mm+P
115gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1415fps - 12.00" / .70"
124gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1310fps - 13.25" / .70"
147gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.00" / .66"
DoubleTap .40 S&W Penetration / expansion
135gr. Nosler JHP @ 1375fps - 12.10" / .72"
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1275fps - 13.00" / .76"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1200fps - 14.0" / .70"
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"
200gr XTP @ 1050fps - 17.75" / .59"
DoubleTap 10mm
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"

 

[CZF]

I recently shot some Double Tap 165 Gold Dots.

Was able to hot the target (15 yards) in the center a few times in the
20 rounds that I fired from a standing position.

Mostly 7 and 8 ring, but still in the torso are of a human or
more likely, a black bear.

Recoil recovery was difficult with rapid fire, but no too bad with slow fire.


I've done much better with the slower 180s.

 

[Vikingsoftpaw]

10MM ammo evaluation

:d:d:d:d:d

 

[porterdog]

G29- small car, biiig motor.

You'd think it'd be hard to handle, but it's really sweet- not at all punishing even with the faster DTs.