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  1. hso

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    Why is any knife banned? Political BS

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    https://blademag.com/knife-collecting/the-most-illegal-knife-in-america

     
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  2. BreechFace

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    Because it's scary!
     
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    And it also looks like the handle could be a grenade.
     
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  4. kBob

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    Well they were crap and I recall feeling sorry for any Spetnaz trooper issued one. They suffered the same weakness as throwing knives. "AH HA! Oops, I disarmed myself...."

    I was underwhelmed by their effects on large appliance boxes.

    Banning them was all about being seen "doing Something", an thing we see a lot of today. "It may not really be an issue, but by gosh we are Doing Something!"

    -kBob
     
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  5. lemaymiami

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    The usual political BS.... politicians from the northeast seem particularly adept at making a mountain where none existed then basking in the praise of those demanding that "something be done"...

    Reminds me of the old "cop killer" bullets kerfuffle back when I was a young cop in the early seventies... Of course not one of those involved dared mention that any rifle round would turn my first generation Second Chance vest into a swiss cheese....
     
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    In Ohio, last time I looked, butterfly knives were illegal because, you know, Kung Fu movies.
     
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  7. kBob

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    HA! Butterfly knives!

    I was taking a shotgun course from a nationally known guy and was one of two unsworn people in a class of about 20. In the middle of a classroom segment the instructor barked out "Knife Check" and all manner of fancy and expensive lock blades sprang forth from officers and agents belts and such. I reached into my hip pocket and pulled out my blade of the day and "clickity-clack!", no fancy flourish just open and locked my old Parker $10 flippy I use for a dive knife and had picked up that morning as the seat belt of the truck had harvested yet another more expensive lock back the evening before.

    2/3rds of the officers looked upon me with shock. The Local Yokel Deputy sitting next to me looked boredly at them and explained they were "fine " locally and that he carried one while fishing. Later a few of the northern officers asked to see my knife, but acted as though they were seeing some sort of "Weapon of Mass Destruction" and that the thing might suddenly attack them.

    -kBob
     
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  8. lemaymiami

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    Definitely a herd mentality in police work... Some of the gospel I was taught when I first hit the street had to be un-learned over time.

    None of this was Academy stuff. I’m talking about was actually believed by street cops... but if you’re smart, you learn (if you survive long enough...).
     
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  9. Speedo66

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    "Republican Sen. Alfonse M. D’Amato held a news conference pushing for and spinning the proposed ban. He announced that a ballistic knife “is a favored weapon used by drug dealers.” He further proclaimed, “Ballistic knives are at least as dangerous as switchblade knives that have been banned since 1958.”

    D'Amato was probably pissed he couldn't find a way to make any money off of it.

    Our training academy somehow wound up with one and I saw a Pilum ballistic knife demo, nobody was very impressed.
     
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  10. HiDive

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    Who cares. A 'ballistic knife' is almost as stupid to ban as it is to own. I wish they banned all the stupid crap and left the good stuff alone; I would be happy.
     
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    When will they realize that banning such things makes them more attractive to those who are most inclined to misuse them? It's not about solutions, it's about stalking horses and buying votes cheaply.
     
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  12. DDeegs

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    In 30 plus years as an leo i never saw a switch blade. Balistic , or butterfly knife used in a crime, pretty sure it wasnt cause they were illegal, plenty of illegal guns used. City in ny. Not nyc
     
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    I live in the San Antonio area in Texas, and they have a very strict city ordinance when it comes to knives. Funny, you can walk downtown on the River Walk strapped with all kinds of rifles on your back, but a blade under 5.5 inches in length is a no no. It is unlawful to have a knife on your person anywhere in the city with a locking mechanism. But the interpretation of the law makes it legal to have a folding knife with a locking mechanism on your person if the length of the blade exceeds 5.5 inches. (From Dundee, that's not a knife, this is a knife) in my Australian accent.
     
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    Every cutting I’ve ever worked (and it’s been quite a few) were cheap box cutters, absolute POS kitchen and steak knives with the occasional truck stop folder.

    I have never seen even a good quality pocket knife.
     
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  15. Riomouse911

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    Toss in a machete hack or two from the garden-variety drunken gardener fight... and one nasty chop up (drug hit) with an imitation Kukri that literally left a guy dismembered, and you're right...I've never had a case with a high-end folder or fixed blade as the weapon in my 30 years, either.

    Stay safe.
     
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  16. JeffG

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    A knife is a tool when you are slicing tomatoes, and a weapon if you stab your roommate.
     
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  17. lemaymiami

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    Like the above all I ever saw on crime scenes were cheap junk knives - a fair number not even particularly sharp - and most of them had done terrible damage in use.... One other minor point about knives and knife fighting... don't believe I ever talked to a witness that even saw the knife in the attacker's hands while they were watching the deal go down... The guy on the receiving end didn't even know that they'd been cut or stabbed until after the fact in about half the cases....

    The other thing about cuttings and stabbings in my experience was the terrible wet copper smell of fresh blood usually had the smell of alcohol to go with it... Some things you don't ever forget.
     
  18. Shanghai McCoy

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    I had a boss who got stabbed while trying to break up an altercation at an apartment pool party.
    It was a short bladed pocketknife that was held in a guys fist and he was punched multiple times in the gut.
    Nasty wounds but he survived...
     
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  19. Riomouse911

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    I’ve had the same experience, most folks think they were just being punched until they start having trouble breathing or begin leaking. Often the stabber had state prison time in his past where they practice the art of the sneaky stabbing stuff a lot.

    Worst slashing I saw was between a pair of gay men who got drunk at a bar, one of whom got jealous believing that the other was leaving him. The suspect broke a beer bottle and slashed his partners face from ear to mouth so bad that it cut clear through his cheek, slashed his gums and actually damaged his teeth. The suspects drunken rambling rationale was if he made his partner ugly no one else would want him. I’ve heard this statement several times with women who attack their ex’s new girlfriend as well, they went for the face trying to disfigure. :eek:

    Cuts can be wicked wounds, no thanks! :(

    That being said, I still carry my CRKT CEO every day and I use it more than I thought I would. This has been a handy little tool for sure :thumbup:.

    Stay safe.
     
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  20. Shanghai McCoy

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    Ugh, broken bottles are nasty. But that's another story...
     
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  21. Mk-211

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    What about the WASP knife? Anyone know what the legality of it is?

    The knife was made for divers to protect themselves against sharks. We all know how that works out, someone who owns one will use it on another person and banned in 3,2,1...

    One last thing about the knife, see, you all were thinking that it's just a knife! The special thing about this knife is that it has one of those small CO2 canisters in the handle!

    Now, think about what all that pressurized air will do to a shark under water when it gets injected! Now think about what that will do to a person when it gets injected into them!
     
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  22. dogtown tom

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    Ummmm where you been? ..............2015 state law says cities cannot have more restrictive local ordinances with regard to knives.
    And state law changed in 2018 regarding unlawful weapons. You can carry a sword on the Riverwalk if you want.
    See https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
     
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  23. lemaymiami

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    Some years ago when I got my first job on a charter boat as a young mate, learning how to kill sharks with a 12ga bangstick was part of the deal (back then, 1973, we killed far too many big sharks for the taxidermist)... Even with all the advantages working out of a fifty foot sport fisherman you had to be on your game to do it properly... I’m very glad that sort of stuff isn’t commonly done any more.

    Just thinking about a knife with some kind of Rube Goldberg gas injector for sharks makes me laugh...

    These days, almost fifty years later we still hook and handle big sharks on a regular basis - only I’m in a 17 foot skiff with one or two customers aboard.... but now, every shark is carefully released in good condition. I’m mostly able to get my hook back as well...

    Suppose there will always be folks making and selling junk blades and sorry politicians perfectly willing to run scams on voters...
     
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  24. herrwalther

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    Everything I can find says they are legal. Using C02 for a pressure related kill of predatory sea creatures is something of a niche for the WASP. Although, make a violent movie about it or someone high profile enough gets killed with one, and they are the new ballistic knife. Last time I saw one for sale was a few years ago for $400.
     
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