Helmetcase
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GTSteve03 said:Cue LawDog and RealGun in 5... 4... 3...
I'm sure this was all due to the politicos in Baltimore and nothing to do with the actual police force...
How can this not be something the rank and file are doing? They are the ones who are filling out (or not, in this case) the police reports for citizens, and threatening them with filing false claims.Helmetcase said:That's exactly what's going on. At the behest of their political masters (Mayor O'Malley and Commissioner Hamm), crime has been under-reported as a matter of course. This isn't something the rank and file were doing (and if that's what you were implying I was saying...did you even bother to read the link? If you're gonna roll your eyes at me, better read up first), it was something that was clearly orchestrated by Hamm and O'Malley to make the problem look better than it was.
Let’s be clear, here–the Baltimore Police are A) schnookering the public and B) committing a crime. When people are robbed, shot, attacked, whatever, and the police do not take a report, they’re committing a crime. Period.
The political pressure to do this is coming from the top. Yeah, yeah, just following orders isn't much of a defense--but let's be honest, the fish rots from the head down and this represents a failure of leadership.GTSteve03 said:How can this not be something the rank and file are doing?
Yup, but in this case the leadership is not only not admonishing them for doing it, they're actually approving of and encouraging this practice. Publicly.They are the ones who are filling out (or not, in this case) the police reports for citizens, and threatening them with filing false claims.
Not only did I read it, I wrote it. Check my signature there, Sherlock.Did you even read the link? Here, let's have a quote:
We can agree there, but there have to be ramifications for leadership.Just because the orders came from higher up, isn't an excuse. I seem to remember a few war-crimes trials where this defense was shot down...
Absolutely. And you're right about the fish rotting from the head-down, but I felt like you were totally ignoring the police force to focus all the attack on the mayor.Helmetcase said:We can agree there, but there have to be ramifications for leadership.
Apparently scads of people have been robbed, mugged, had their homes burglarized, etc. and the police are either not taking reports or actually threatening the victims with accusations that they’re trying to file a false report.
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Yes, there are. Ed Norris was just talking about a news story that was run by WBAL TV here in Baltimore. This isn't just being made up. It's happening, and it's scary. http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/7020235/detail.htmlLawDog said:Considering that Ed Norris is a convicted felon, got fired from his Superintendant of State Police job for misappropriating Baltimore city funds, was indicted for violating Federal tax laws, and served Federal prison time for public corruption, conspiring to misuse police discretionary funds, and lying on is tax returns, you've got to admit that the source might have a bit of bias going.
Since this is the kind of story that 60 Minutes producers pray for, are there any articles/investigations on this from anyone else?
LawDog
Read the story. You're wrong. When the police don't take reports when people are shot, robbed, etc. that is indeed novel. It's also criminal.Sounds like someone is searching for a campaign issue, and has latched on to Bawlmer's admitted reporting errata and is trying to simultaneously make it larger than it is and novel.
Heh, no kidding Doug.Doug Ward, a retired Maryland State Police commander who spent years overseeing crime reporting by local departments, now teaches police leadership at Johns Hopkins University.
"From what we do here there, it certainly raises a lot of questions in my mind," Ward said. "It's highly unusual to say it's unfounded when you have a victim in the hospital with an injury. Put it that way, it's highly unusual."
One night last November, nearly a dozen calls were made to 911 concerning a shooting on a south Baltimore corner.
911 Call
Caller: "Police, right now, somebody's firing a gun on Light and Heath street."
Operator: "How many gunshots did you hear?"
Caller: "Six."
Police responded and located the intended target of the gunman: a man who wasn't hurt. The incident would seem to fit the definition of an aggravated assault.
According to federal crime reporting guidelines, such an assault includes an unlawful attack accompanied by the use of a weapon for the purpose of inflicting severe injury. The guidelines make clear it is not necessary that injury result for an aggravated assault to occur.
But in fact, Miller reported, police wrote no report at all of the south Baltimore shooting. Instead, officers lumped it in with an armed robbery that had occurred earlier that night a couple of blocks away.
Police Radio
Officer: "These are all in reference to the one call, sir."
"That's not unusual," Hamm said.
The commissioner said officers do combine one incident with another in a practice called duplicating.
"How often does one incident get duplicated to another incident?" Miller asked.
"What we believe, once we go out to the scene is that they may be related," Hamm said.
"Do you know, to this moment, that they were related?" Miller asked.
"No, I don't know to this moment that they were related," Hamm said.
So, instead of two crimes that night in south Baltimore, just one was written up, and the report on the robbery makes no mention of the shooting.
Ward, the former state police commander, said the importance of accurate crime reporting cannot be understated.
"Without those reports, you can't connect suspects to different crimes. It's the fundamental foundation of how we operate in policing in this country," Ward said.
Speaking in the basement of an East Baltimore church, Duncan, a Democrat, said his opponent artificially inflated crime numbers for the year before he took office to make his record look more impressive.
I'd take what his opponent Duncan says with a grain of salt in that instance, but I don't see why it's either/or. Cook the books upwards for the year before you take office when you're in power and have the numbers in front of you, and then every year there after fudge the numbers downward to make it look like you're doing a bang up job fighting crime.LawDog said:Either one or the other, guys.
LawDog
I'd take what his opponent Duncan says with a grain of salt in that instance,
Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan (D) today accused Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley of tinkering with crime statistics to make his city appear safer than it really is.
One would think. My guess is that the hooks are already in MOM pretty well (this story has national implications, he's considered a rising star in the Dem party, think Bill Clinton in 1988) on this story, no need to make it look worse I guess .LawDog said:Agreed, but you'd think that the quoted article would mention both, yes?
Probably. It is, after all, an election year, and Duncan continues to not impress me. The funny thing is he's a gun grabber (look at the letter I sent him today on my site if you care to) who still doesn't get it--the police are actively under-reporting crime at the behest of their political masters, we're the most violent state in the union outside Louisiana, but you can't carry a gun to protect yourself.
Ah, should we take this quote with a grain of salt, too?
Quote:
Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan (D) today accused Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley of tinkering with crime statistics to make his city appear safer than it really is.