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BamBam-31's Makarov

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by BamBam-31, Jun 30, 2005.

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  1. BamBam-31

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    Well, I finally got the Mak back from Azuza PD. First time I've seen the pistol since the accident. When I took the slide off, I found that the firing pin was stuck forward, and I mean STUCK. I kept trying to push it back in, first with a toothpick, then with a dental pick, but no dice. It was stuck but good.

    I took it to my smith and showed him the pistol. "Yep, that'd do it," he said. He then took about 10-15 minutes banging at the pin with a punch to get it out. Finally, when it did come out, he discovered that the pin was covered all over in a reddish brown waxy substance. "Cosmoline," he concluded. He knew that I cleaned it before firing it the first time, so he hypothesized that somehow, between the first cleaning and the accident, the cosmoline (or whatever it was, didn't look like cosmoline to me) softened initially, then later reformed around the pin and hardened enough to basically glue the pin in place.

    When I first brought the pistol home, I removed the pin, sprayed a short spurt of brake cleaner into the channel, shoved a Q-tip in til I could see the cotton out of the hole, twisted it around a bit, and then removed it. The Q-tip, IIRC, came out a very faint brown color, so I assumed it was clean. Guess not. Somehow, I still managed to fire off 50 rounds after that. I've used brake cleaner on cosmo before with great results. Plus, the rest of the gun looked to have very little, if any, cosmoline in it. It strikes me as odd that brake cleaner and a Q-tip weren't sufficent to clean out what was in the firing pin channel.

    We gave the hammer and sear a cursory inspection, seeing as how the stuck firing pin was obviously the culprit. Both looked untampered with, just normal wear (and not much, at that). My smith then cleaned out the firing pin channel himself, finishing with a big blast of compressed air to get everything out. When he reassembled everything, we could hear the pin rattling loosely in the slide.

    We also tried to get the slide to go forward by aggressively slapping in a mag a few times, but no dice. Hmm. My Bulgie would go forward about once every five mag changes before I stoned the slide lock a bit. The Russian only did it once, but boy was that one time a doozie. :eek:

    Before the pistol goes up for sale, I'm gonna bring it out to the range again. One round per mag a few times, then two, etc. I'm gonna shoot it just to get it out of my system. Like the guy at the shop said, "Don't let this little bastard beat you."

    I guess the moral to the story is: When you think it's clean, clean it some more, dummy! Man, what an experience that was. :p
     
  2. Double Maduro

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    When I got my Bulgie, it was full of cosmoline. I downloaded detail strip instructions from www.makarov.com and stripped it and put all of the pieces in a coffee can with HOT water and dish detergent. Let it sit a couple of hours and then cleaned and lubed.

    Not a bit of a problem since.

    So how much you gonna want for this beligerent pistol?

    Glad you're ok and that you figured out the problem.

    DM
     
  3. CajunBass

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    That's sort of what I expected you to find. I had seen another report of one double firing on Makarov.com after your's went full auto on you. Turns out his had the same problem. I had to clean mine a couple of times to get all that "stuff" out of it, and I'm still finding traces of "brown" on my cleaning patches. Now, I'm going to break mine down again and do it all over again before going to the range again.

    Glad you found out what the problem is and that you weren't hurt more than you were. Hopefully when you shoot it this time you won't have any problems and will decide to keep it. Thanks for keeping us posted.
     
  4. Morgan

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    On getting the slide to release when inserting a magazine - I've found, on pistols that tend to do this (HK USP, Glock, SIG) that they're much more likely to do it with a full magazine.

    Glad you found the problem.
     
  5. jobu07

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    You really shouldn't sell that thing... It's a part of you now ya know. ;)

    It's too bad that your initial cleaning didn't get out all of that cosmo. Is it possible you had the bolt and f/p cleaned up really nice, but some cosmo elsewhere oozed in when the weapon heated up?
     
  6. grimjaw

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    Mystery solved!

    I was so paranoid after reading your original post that I used boiling water, baking in an oven, brake cleaner, BreakFree AND Hoppes in separate cleanings before I loaded mine. I still loaded one round, two rounds, three rounds at a time until I was sure I'd gotten it clean enough.

    I think it makes a good cautionary tale, and could have happened to anybody. I still enjoy shooting my Mak, and have no intention of letting it go; might even get a second one. I'm just more careful about maintaining *all* my guns now. Glad the mystery is solved, and hope the hand is healing well!

    jmm
     
  7. cocojo

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    I always stripped,cleaned and soaked my Maks in mineral spirits first to get the cosmoline off. Cleaned the firing pin area out with q-tips. Scrubbed the gun with a tooth brush, then sprayed the gun clean with Gun Scrubber. Checked the gun and lubricated it if it was clean, if not back in the bath.
     
  8. bogie

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    Moderators, howzabout moving the dang thread BACK to General? This is something that the general population needs to see regarding milsurps and cosmoline (or regular autoloaders and built up crud). The problem at hand isn't limited to autoloading pistols.
     
  9. dolanp

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    When I got my cosmo'd SKS I disassembled the bolt, soaked it in mineral spirits, then applied the brake cleaner. That got it pretty good and clean.
     
  10. No_Brakes23

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    I would keep it just for that reason. Even if you fire it, clean it and then it becomes a safe queen. I wouldn't ever get rid of that little thing.

    But, on the other hand, I can understand why you would want to sell it, too.
     
  11. Omni04

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    thats really great of you to take it back to the range! Im glad the mysery is over.


    hope your hand is healing well!
     
  12. White Horseradish

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    When I got my Mak, took it apart and boiled it. Solvents alone do not always remove hardened cosmoline, heat is the best thing to soften it.
     
  13. lee n. field

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    Loaded mag, I hope. Using an empty mag won't prove anything, as the follower tab will still push up the slide latch.
     
  14. BamBam-31

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    Duh. :eek: Both my smith and I were doing it with an empty mag. I've got 9x18 snap caps, I'll try it again with those.
     
  15. criticalbass

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    Thanks

    Bam Bam-31, thank you for closing the loop on this accident. I am a Makarov devotee as you may recall from earlier responses to the initial thread. I hope all the wounds, physicial, psychological, and familial are healing well. If I can ever be of assistance regarding Mak pistols, find me on the Makarov forum at Gunboards. There are lots of good and very knowledgable folks there (and a couple or two who occasionally engage mouth before brain).

    If you are determined to sell the pistol, there is a trader here http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=60
    which would be an excellent place to advertise. If you ID'd the weapon as the famous hand-shooter, it would probably increase interest. (It is the one with the adjustable rear sight?) If it is, I am not interested in it personally, but lots of people will be.

    Best wishes. CB
     
  16. BamBam-31

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    Just shot another flawless 50 rounds through the Mak today. Loaded it one round per mag a few times, then two, then three, all with the slide forward. Did pretty well. Man, I had an offhand three shot group at 50 ft. that you could cover with a quarter. Nice. :)

    Gotta find a way to keep this one. :evil:

    (Might be pushing it, though. All's finally well on the homefront--don't want to rock the boat too much.)
     
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  17. P95Carry

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    Bam-Bam - hope you will keep it now. Hope too hand is still mending well.

    Your input thru all this has been IMO invaluable and now we know the final story - which is I daresay what many of us had theorized - it is a salutary warning to all to ensure that indeed the pin is free - 100% free!

    Thanks again for such stalwart reporting!! Take care. :)
     
  18. Trebor

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    Thanks for the follow up. Sorry to hear about your accident. Hope your recovery is going well.

    With a Mak, you should be able to hear the firing pin rattle in the channel if you shake the pistol. It might be a good idea to check that once in awhile.

    I know my EG Mak is cosmo free and I shoot it quite often. I think I'll tear down my Bulgie again though and make sure the firing pin channel is free of all cosmo. I've only had the gun a couple years and have only taken it the range a handful of times.
     
  19. silverlance

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    thanks for the tip about the rattle, trebor.
     
  20. usp9

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    Words to live by. Doing a thorough JOB on my Mak today.
     
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