Let's keep to this on the high road or it will end up in a dead end. Simple minded oversimplification is the trademark of the emotional irrational appeals used by folks like BradyCampaign.
Ban Assault Clips (New Brady Campaign Vid) comment alternative
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matt_borror
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so now even
magazines kill people
magazines kill people
pdionne03901
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Terrorists?
Who said the Brady people were terrorists? The point I was trying to make is that, by instituting Brady II, the government is trying to force more legislation that will impose more control over rights we are guaranteed by the Constitution, and in doing so, prevent us, or at least limit our ability to protect us from future attacks that the don't protect us from.
In any case, whether you agree or disagree with the Bill, it time we get more involved and let our elected representatives know how we feel.
Who said the Brady people were terrorists? The point I was trying to make is that, by instituting Brady II, the government is trying to force more legislation that will impose more control over rights we are guaranteed by the Constitution, and in doing so, prevent us, or at least limit our ability to protect us from future attacks that the don't protect us from.
In any case, whether you agree or disagree with the Bill, it time we get more involved and let our elected representatives know how we feel.
I've followed this forum for a little bit. That video offends me on so many levels. First, wouldn't his elbows give out and leave him missing his wrists with a magazine like that? Is this guys name Jason Bourne? Snap off shots like that, and not miss? Is he the Terminator instead?
This might bring up issues but... fact of the matter is... It only takes ONE bullet to kill (most) people (who aren't on PCP). Big magazines are for terrible shots. (In the situation described by the brady bunch)
This might bring up issues but... fact of the matter is... It only takes ONE bullet to kill (most) people (who aren't on PCP). Big magazines are for terrible shots. (In the situation described by the brady bunch)
Carl N. Brown
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I'll repeat myself from other threads, this and other forums: our most prolific local murderer used a knife and baseball bat. We had a drug gang shooting with single shot shotguns. The problem is violent people no matter what they use.
I recall an ad that claimed that AWB ban-compliant AKMs would not shoot through a concrete block, but the pre-ban AKMs would. Even CNN exposed that demo as a fake (the pre-ban AKM was fired into the concrete blocks, the ban-compliant AKM was fired into the ground, and CNN exposed the fakery on the air. CNN! Hardly the gun rights friend.)
What's next, firing a .25 Raven at a gas tank rigged with model rocket igniters...on a school bus...loaded with nuns and orphans?
I recall an ad that claimed that AWB ban-compliant AKMs would not shoot through a concrete block, but the pre-ban AKMs would. Even CNN exposed that demo as a fake (the pre-ban AKM was fired into the concrete blocks, the ban-compliant AKM was fired into the ground, and CNN exposed the fakery on the air. CNN! Hardly the gun rights friend.)
What's next, firing a .25 Raven at a gas tank rigged with model rocket igniters...on a school bus...loaded with nuns and orphans?
Carl N. Brown
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CNN did "expose" the fakery. As I recall seeing it at the time, CNN was exposing fakery in a pro AWB demo put on by the Broward County sheriff's department.
The other view it seems is that CNN was covering their derrieres* by pointing fingers elsewhere. More here: THR May 2003 http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=23576
I am beginning to suspect the answer lies in the Geiko commercial question: "Does it take two to tango?" (There, it seems to me, it takes two to tango but only one to point a finger.)
The CNN/Broward Sheriff video is like all the prime time media promotion of the 1994 AWB using videos of machineguns blazing on full auto to segue into promotion of the AWB. (Josh Sugarmann of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns and Violence Policy Center famously declaring that the public is easily confused by the fact that semi-auto military rifles look like machineguns to help get the public used to bans on guns.)
Do the videos count as assault clips?
*Edited by author to remove link to wikipedia derierre article.
The other view it seems is that CNN was covering their derrieres* by pointing fingers elsewhere. More here: THR May 2003 http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=23576
I am beginning to suspect the answer lies in the Geiko commercial question: "Does it take two to tango?" (There, it seems to me, it takes two to tango but only one to point a finger.)
The CNN/Broward Sheriff video is like all the prime time media promotion of the 1994 AWB using videos of machineguns blazing on full auto to segue into promotion of the AWB. (Josh Sugarmann of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns and Violence Policy Center famously declaring that the public is easily confused by the fact that semi-auto military rifles look like machineguns to help get the public used to bans on guns.)
Do the videos count as assault clips?
*Edited by author to remove link to wikipedia derierre article.
TempestP226
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I could be wrong, but I thought perhaps they were just doing a poor re-enactment of the Men In Black shooting range scene. Could've sworn I saw some quantum physics books in there somewhere.
USAF_Vet
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Seems to me that a lot of thugs looks pretty silly doing just that. How many episodes of Cops have I seen someone fleeing from the police only to be thwarted by their baggy pants tripping them up?
Deadly assault clips? Terminology means nothing to fear mongers. And that is precisely who the Brady bunch are.
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Most likely.
However, by repeatedly linking to this video across the internet, "we" gun owners have unwittingly played the role of promoter for this dumb Brady PSA. One need only Google the title of the video to see the proof.
Not a big deal, but something to think about.
The Brady Campaign described as terrorists? I wouldn't go so far as to say that.
However....
Any group with any political power concerning firearm's legislation that is currently giving all appearances of condoning the deliberate arming of known criminals, in my book, certainly qualifies as "accessories after the fact".
That is exactly what the Brady Campaign is doing at this time. They have used the shooting of Rep. Gifford in AZ as a rallying cry for their campaign against high capacity magazines and for ending private sales while, at precisely the same time, totally ignoring the actions of the DOJ and BATFE in allowing serious weapons to reach known drug smugglers, human trafficers and outright kidnappers and murderers that have resulted in the deaths of both US and Mexican citizens. The BATFE didn't just intentionally violate firearm's laws, they violated international treaty as well, and these people act blissfully ignorant of it. Not a single one of their political allies, Wassermann, McCarthy, Shumer, Feinstein, Clinton, et. al., has joined in to put pressure on the DOJ and BATFE to find out the truth concerning operations Gunrunner and Fast & Furious. To date, in fact, they have done their best to avoid the issue.
That is so beyond mere hypocrisy that it isn't funny. One madman with a pistol can generate the ire of these individuals, but nearly 1400 weapons placed in the hands of known criminals (two of which were found at the scene of a US Customs Agent's murder) doesn't even get a mention. Very strange if you consider just last year it was the exportation of firearms across the border that was used as a primary issue for the same legislation they are proposing now.
BTW, among the weapons that the BATFE "lost track of" (and still have no idea of their current location) are two fully functional .50 caliber Browning machine guns.
However....
Any group with any political power concerning firearm's legislation that is currently giving all appearances of condoning the deliberate arming of known criminals, in my book, certainly qualifies as "accessories after the fact".
That is exactly what the Brady Campaign is doing at this time. They have used the shooting of Rep. Gifford in AZ as a rallying cry for their campaign against high capacity magazines and for ending private sales while, at precisely the same time, totally ignoring the actions of the DOJ and BATFE in allowing serious weapons to reach known drug smugglers, human trafficers and outright kidnappers and murderers that have resulted in the deaths of both US and Mexican citizens. The BATFE didn't just intentionally violate firearm's laws, they violated international treaty as well, and these people act blissfully ignorant of it. Not a single one of their political allies, Wassermann, McCarthy, Shumer, Feinstein, Clinton, et. al., has joined in to put pressure on the DOJ and BATFE to find out the truth concerning operations Gunrunner and Fast & Furious. To date, in fact, they have done their best to avoid the issue.
That is so beyond mere hypocrisy that it isn't funny. One madman with a pistol can generate the ire of these individuals, but nearly 1400 weapons placed in the hands of known criminals (two of which were found at the scene of a US Customs Agent's murder) doesn't even get a mention. Very strange if you consider just last year it was the exportation of firearms across the border that was used as a primary issue for the same legislation they are proposing now.
BTW, among the weapons that the BATFE "lost track of" (and still have no idea of their current location) are two fully functional .50 caliber Browning machine guns.
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alsaqr
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The bill is H. R. 308: The Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act. It has 107 co-sponsors and its probably not going anywhere. If the bill suddenly starts to pick up co-sponsors, e-mail your congressman.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-308
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-308
wow6599
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Ben86, you are 110% correct. I would love to have that same BS video up with ratings available.
Mike1234567
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"Assault clips"... I've never heard that one.
Evil Black Assault Clips 
Check out this "fact sheet" put up by the Brady Bunch: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr308/docs/bradycampaign1/3
"They have been used in numerous mass shootings, including in Tucson, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, and Columbine, but they are not useful for hunting or self-defense."
Not useful for hunting for self defense? Facts indeed.
"New magazines containing more than 10 rounds were banned under the Federal Assault Weapons Act, but Congress did not renew the law in 2004, despite widespread support from over 70% of Americans.2 Now only 6 states and D.C. limit the capacity of magazines."
I promise you 70% of Americans have never supported this kind of legislation.
"Leading experts on gun policy have concluded that banning high-capacity magazines is “a common-sense policy change that is likely to generate modest but important benefits to society at a very small cost, and so is worth doing.”3"
I wonder who these "experts" are. They will be very modest benefits won't they?
Check out this "fact sheet" put up by the Brady Bunch: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr308/docs/bradycampaign1/3
"They have been used in numerous mass shootings, including in Tucson, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, and Columbine, but they are not useful for hunting or self-defense."
Not useful for hunting for self defense? Facts indeed.
"New magazines containing more than 10 rounds were banned under the Federal Assault Weapons Act, but Congress did not renew the law in 2004, despite widespread support from over 70% of Americans.2 Now only 6 states and D.C. limit the capacity of magazines."
I promise you 70% of Americans have never supported this kind of legislation.
"Leading experts on gun policy have concluded that banning high-capacity magazines is “a common-sense policy change that is likely to generate modest but important benefits to society at a very small cost, and so is worth doing.”3"
I wonder who these "experts" are. They will be very modest benefits won't they?
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Mike1234567
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^^^ Actually it was gone NLT yesterday morning.
zstephens13
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"Sensible Gun Laws..."
Very funny...
Very funny...
gennro
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Well it looks like banning all drugs has stopped people from getting them. I'm pretty sure banning magazines higher then 10 rounds is going to stop people from getting them also.
Shovelhead
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My new sig line...... 
mortablunt
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@ OP: Sorry, Comrade, the Brady Bunch killed your video.
I found it hilarious that the guy pulled out the big 32 round aftermarket magazine, but then ran out of ammunition after 17 (standard capacity) shots. I also didn't know that you needed to cock a Glock by pulling on the slide.
I agree with a high capacity magazine ban. All periodical publications exceeding a length of 120 pages do nothing except for induce eye strain and make me do impulse purchase at supermarkets.
Most standard capacity mags have been approximately 12 or so rounds.
I found it hilarious that the guy pulled out the big 32 round aftermarket magazine, but then ran out of ammunition after 17 (standard capacity) shots. I also didn't know that you needed to cock a Glock by pulling on the slide.
I agree with a high capacity magazine ban. All periodical publications exceeding a length of 120 pages do nothing except for induce eye strain and make me do impulse purchase at supermarkets.
Most standard capacity mags have been approximately 12 or so rounds.
Iramo94
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Darn! You beat me to it!! That was about the only thing that I could stomach of the whole video. They finally realized that Gadsten's design was just fine the way he made it, 17, no more, no less.
GMcBoozer
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If they want to reduce gun violence, they should be promoting proper gun safety...
CountryUgly
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http://www.facebook.com/bradycampaign . Since they won't let you post your opinion on youtube (kicking the 1st amend. out the door with the second i see) here is the link to their facebook page so we all can correct them in the error of their ways if you'd care to.
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