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Ban Proof Rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by bg226, Jul 4, 2007.

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  1. bg226

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    In this ANTI state (IL) a ban is likely in the future. I really do not like the idea of buying a rifle and then having it become illegal at a later date.

    I'm interested in those Remington pump rifles that take AR-15 mags (awesome idea in my opinion).

    Should the ban take effect, would this rifle pass (I doubt the mags would be legal though)?
     
  2. Frog48

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    Depends on the language of the legislation. Theres no way we can forecast what ideas will pop into the head of some crazy politician.
     
  3. DMK

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    No firearm is ban proof. Never underestimate that fact.

    However, for now semi-autos do seem to be the primary target. You may get lucky and your mags could be grandfathered, or you may have to sell them out of state. AR mags are cheap though. It might be worth the risk to stock up a couple dozen and save all your receipts as proof.
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

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    I wouldn't count on finding a ban-proof rifle. Australia banned both semi-autos and pumps at the same time to use just one example. Besides, lets look at the categories of firearms that the antis want to subject to "reasonable safety regulation"

    No large caliber handguns like the S&W .500 - those are too powerful
    No small caliber handguns - those are too concealable
    No well-made handguns that are small - those are "Pocket Rockets"
    No "junk guns" that are inexpensive - those are too cheap and they are dangerous as well - though we will make an exception for police officers to carry them since it is an inherently unsafe gun design :rolleyes:
    No accurate long range rifles - those are "sniper rifles"
    No semi-automatic rifles - those are "assault weapons"
    No shotguns - those are "street sweepers" of incredible destructive power
    Nothing based on a military design - those are clearly military weapons designed to kill people

    Just going on the list of things that they already want to ban, I don't see too many firearms that are going to survive that list. If you figure that they have probably not been completely honest about the extent of their desire to limit firearms usage, then that pretty much takes care of the remainder.
     
  5. GTSteve03

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    Buy whatever you want now.

    Just remember "tragic boating accident." :evil:
     
  6. sacp81170a

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    Let's see, they're already talking about banning long, pointy kitchen knives in Great Britain, so...

    I don't think even BB guns and air guns are ban-proof. :barf:
     
  7. SigfanUSAF

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    I'd vote to buy an original trapdoor Springfield carbine.

    Antique according to the BATF, quick loading, with a powerful .45-70 cartridge. Not imported, not "hi-cap" by any means. Short barrel means it's not a "sniper", yet long enough to be "not easily concealed"

    The day they made that one illegal to own would be the day I'm ready to die to keep it.
     
  8. Kentucky

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    Instead of looking for a way to submit to MORE un-Constitutional government interference, why not instead focus on working to reverse the situation up there? FIGHT FOR YOUR LIBERTY!

    Today is July 4, we are celebrating the Freedom that our brave forefathers gave us. Unfortunately we have let much of that freedom be eroded, and we truly dont deserve what we have left. Instead of finding ways to submit to our "governmental masters", lets uphold our American Heritage and Tradition by fighting for our rights!

    Look at what the Second Amendment Patriots have done in Indiana. Overturned restrictive and un-Constitutional laws, passed lifetime concealed carry, and working on much more.

    Folks, there are plenty enough gun owners in any state to do the job. You dont need a majority, or anywhere close to it. 15% of a countrys population can have a successful revolution. We only want to re-take control of the government through peaceful means, a small motivated percentage of the population can do this!

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
     
  9. Durruti

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    OK folks, of course there's no such thing as ban-proof, but there is ban-resistant. And how does looking for a ban-resistant gun preclude one from fighting for your rights? Can't you do both?

    It seems unlikely that they would ban certain types of mags, just certain capacities. Does Illinois already have a capacity limit on rifle mags?

    All in all, it sounds like a decent plan. They could ban pumps along with semis ala Australia, but they're certainly less likely to do so.
     
  10. miko

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    Consider also a lever-action Marlin 1895 in 357 mag or 44 mag, which also shoot 38 sp and 44 sp.
    For country, consider a lever-action Marlin in 30-30.
    Very un-evil guns - also very capable ones.

    NYC currently allows mags of 5rd capacity - no grandfathering. Imagine your state follows the suite? :eek:
    I can have 9+1 rounds of .357 (or 10+1 of 38 +P+) in my Marlin, which I can top-off one by one. I would rather have that than a bunch of 5-rd mags.


    BBs, paintballs and slingshots are illegal in NYC.



    Liberty is not compatible with democracy - as the Founding Father well knew.

    miko
     
  11. R.W.Dale

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    I think a picture is in order.

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  12. rudolf

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    The most ban proof rifle is the most common hunting rifle in your area.
    The double barrel shotgun is probably the most hard to ban worldwide.
     
  13. MOSINS

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    Single shot bolt rifle, pump shotguns.

    :)
     
  14. Quiet

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    Any single shot rimfire rifle.
     
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    Single- shot falling- block action rifles.

    But instead of talking about how to ban proof a rifle, let's put everything we've got into stopping bans from being passed and reversing the liberty- restricting measures already in place.

    By any means necessary.
     
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    To Hades and back with any anarchist politician would illegitimate our great Constitution! Sharpen your pencil and take notes on the fools who participate in our Constitutional destruction. Document facts versus hype. Call your family, your friends, etc. Educate them! Encourage them to vote against these fools. Guns go first; all other rights and even liberties will follow. Most important, vote!
     
  17. Prince Yamato

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    They wouldn't be allowed to confiscate your rifle. This is a thing of general myth. There could never LEGALLY be a confiscation of anything, firearm or otherwise w/o a grandfather clause. The legal term is ex post facto or "after the fact" or "after it's done". In short, it means that if you bought something when it was legal, if it suddenly becomes "illegal" to own one, you can still keep yours. Usually, there is a registration period w/ state or local authorities.

    This is how there are (reportedly) Class 3 owners in New York State (no, I don't have evidence of this). They owned whatever before NYS banned them, blah blah, ex post facto, they get to keep whatever. Now, I don't think they can actually shoot their weapons anywhere, but they can OWN them.

    A similar case would be if you owned say, a bag of vacuum sealed marijuana that you bought before the marijuana stamp/tax act was initiated and you had a receipt to prove it. You would be in legal possession of the marijuana and you could prove it. Now, whether you could use it is a different matter, but you could still brag, "hey, look at my vacuum sealed bag of legal marijuana...ex post facto!"
     
  18. Durruti

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    That's not what ex post facto means. Ex post facto means they can't pass a law now saying it was illegal to do something previously, before the law was passed. They can't say it was illegal to have owned an AR-15 in 2005, but they can pass a law saying you can't continue owning an AR-15 (ex post facto-wise). Gun bans typically include grandfather clauses in order to make them more palatable, but they don't have to be included.
     
  19. Alphazulu6

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    Can the Liberal's ban your Red Rider BB Gun? Yep.. you'll shoot your eye out! :D

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  20. MOSINS

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    Yep, they'll ban it, for the children...

    :D
     
  21. miko

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    Of course not. They will offer you a chance to "demilitarise" it or sell it away or maybe pay you a fair market value in crisp "federal" "reserve" "notes" like they did when they confiscated gold in 1933. Gold, you know - the only thing besides silver that the Constitution allows the States to recognize as legal tender.

    miko
     
  22. Cosmoline

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    Why would anyone want to ban a proof rifle?
     
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    The 2A didn't specify what types of firearms the gov't can't regulate for a reason. Get what you want. The more "evil" rifles that are out there, the harder of a time they'll have if they ever try to take them away.
     
  24. illspirit

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    Miss Rebecca Peters from IANSA once said hunters only "need" a rifle with a range of one hundred feet, and that anything more should be banned. As such, if you want a ban proof rifle, you'll probably be limited to one of these. :uhoh:
     
  25. Deaf Smith

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    Their ain't no ban proof rifle unless SCOTUS this summer declares the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.

    Antis hate:

    1. Guns (any gun) that holds more than x rounds
    2. Simi-auto military look-alike rifles cause they look bad.
    3. Scoped rifes cause they are 'sniper rifles'.
    4. Short barreled handuns cause they can be hid
    5. Long barreled handguns cause they are powerful.
    6. Shot guns cause they are so destructive at close range.
    7. ... well that is about all the guns made! So they hat them all and thus there is no 'safe' gun to have.

    Your only way to keep them safe is to VOTE. And pray SCOTUS rules in our favor.
     
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