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Banning "assault pistol" in NJ

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DontBurnMyFlag, Oct 12, 2005.

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  1. DontBurnMyFlag

    DontBurnMyFlag Member

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    This is the crap that passes as news. :banghead: Last I checked, not only is the Five-SeveN an expensive gun, you cant even purchase the FMJ ammo. And if you could, it would be expensive as hell.






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    N.J. senators seek a ban on powerful
    assault pistol
    The Five-SeveN pistol is small enough to fit into your pocket but packs a big
    punch - its bullets can penetrate a bulletproof vest. One of the weapons was
    recently pulled off the streets of Camden County, and New Jersey and New York
    lawmakers want them out of the hands of the public for good.
    New Jersey Democratic Sens. Jon Corzine and Frank R. Lautenberg, Sen.
    Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., introduced a bill
    Thursday that would make it illegal for anyone except a police officer or military
    official to possess the assault pistol.
    In November, the Homeland Security Department issued an "Officer Safety Alert"
    regarding the pistol with the headline "body armor defeating handgun." The alert
    said that the Trumbull, Conn., police department had seized such a pistol and
    noted that its bullets were "advertised as being able to penetrate 48 layers of
    Kevlar at 50 meters."
    The lawmakers said there is no legitimate reason for members of the public to
    own the gun.
    "This is not a Second Amendment issue," Corzine said during a Washington
    news conference. "Who needs one of these? The only reason is for violence."
    The Protect Law Enforcement Armor Act would ban the sale, purchase and use
    of the handgun and its ammunition by anyone other than a police officer or
    military official. The bill would also prohibit the gun and ammunition from being
    made in the United States.
    Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi urged lawmakers to support the bill,
    calling it a test case.
    A Five-SeveN gun was found on an alleged drug dealer in December during a
    drug investigation in Camden County, Sarubbi said. The gun had been
    purchased illegally in Philadelphia, he said.
    Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,
    challenged the National Rifle Association to defend the pistol, even daring NRA
    chief executive Wayne LaPierre to don a bulletproof vest to have the pistol
    tested.
    The NRA did not immediately return a call for comment.
    Friday, March 4, 2005
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  2. DontBurnMyFlag

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    sorry this is all chopped up. but here is another article




    WASHINGTON - The Five-SeveN pistol is small
    enough to fit in a pocket, but it packs a big punch: Its bullets can penetrate a bulletproof vest.
    One of the guns was taken from an alleged drug dealer
    in Camden County in December, and now federal
    lawmakers from New Jersey and New York want them
    out of the hands of the public for good.
    Sens. Jon Corzine and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Sen. Chuck Schumer and Rep. Elio
    York, all Democrats, yesterday introduced a bill that would make it illegal for anyone except a poli
    military official to possess the pistol.
    In November, the Homeland Security Department issued an "Officer Safety Alert" calling the pisto
    defeating handgun." The alert said police in Trumbull, Conn., had seized such a pistol and noted
    were "advertised as being able to penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar at 50 meters."
    The lawmakers said there was no legitimate reason, such as hunting, for members of the public to
    "This is not a Second Amendment issue," Corzine said. "Who needs one of these? The only reas
    violence."
    The Protect Law Enforcement Armor Act also would prohibit the gun and bullets from being made
    States.
    Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi urged lawmakers to support the bill, calling it a tes
    Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/04/2005 | Ban of small vest-piercing pistol sought Page 1 of 2.htm 3/4/2005
     
  3. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

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    Corzine and Lautenberg combined know less about 2A than my dog.
     
  4. Alex45ACP

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    Yay, more gun control incrementalism :rolleyes:

    So once they're banned, the gun grabbers will say "Hey, some types of handgun ammunition in other calibers (practically all of them) can also penetrate body armor, we need to ban all guns that fire those calibers."
     
  5. Zundfolge

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    The 5.7mm is a WEAK round that doesn't pack much of a "punch" at all ... it does pack a nice poke.

    The 5.7mm penetrates "bulletproof" vests about as well as an icepick (and for the same reason ... its small).

    Yep, that seems to be the plan.
     
  6. DontBurnMyFlag

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    alex45acp...your right on the money. the police are issued crap vests anyway.

    I find it incredible that a criminal had a FN 5-7 to begin with. Those things are expenisive and the ammo is expensive as well too. Being a criminal, wouldnt you want something you can get cheap.

    You cant go up to your local black market dealer and say...

    "hey gimme some 5.7mm ammo."

    "sorry, we only carry, .25 and.32"

    The chances that the bad guys Five-seveN was loaded with HP rounds is high. And even they arent cheap.
     
  7. 50 Freak

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    At least in Cali, we can still buy the Five-SeveN. Looks like NJ is trying to catch up to Cali. :banghead: :banghead:
     
  8. Six-Gun

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    It's only a matter of time before a T/C Encore in .223, .308, .30-06, etc. is banned because it, too, can penetrate a bulletproof vest.

    These guys kill me with their "revelations." This gun has been publicly available for years with no issue. The ammor piercing version of the ammo can't be bought in a gun shop.
     
  9. Carl N. Brown

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    If the antis kep crying The sky is falling! The sky is Falling! Wolf! Wolf!
    maybe they will destroy themselves, finally. Campaigning against the
    Florida Stand Your Ground law as "Shoot First" seems to have cost the
    Brady Campaign a lot of credibility with the MainStreamMedia.
    Somebody said the 0.17 Million Mom March is hanging up their sneakers.
    Any follow up?
     
  10. Kurush

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    The Five-Seven is an assault pistol that pierces armor and then cuts your heart in half! Even if it hits your toe! It has an incendiary heat-seeking tip, with a side of mercury!

    Marshall and Sanow [strike]made up[/strike] collected statistics showing it has a one-shot stop percentage of 150%! I heard it on the internet so it must be true!
     
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    Like that armour piercing round the .30 -.30, it can shoot through a armoured limosine and a Fat Drunkin Lying Murderer, who is also a US Senator. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Carl N. Brown

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    Lest we forget....

    Senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry tried to ban
    .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester and .308 Winchester
    as cop killer bullets. If that had passed, how many of us
    would have become instant felons not by doing anything
    but by owning something?
     
  13. R.H. Lee

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    If we were smart, we'd have the gunmakers throw out something whizbang like the Five-SeveN pistol every couple of years. Accompany it with a lot of hype and stories of awesome firepower. Let 'em ban it (after a good show of opposition). Repeat as needed.
     
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    On that front, I hear Remington is currently developing a version of the 870 that fires laser bolts.
     
  15. rmgill

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    Get out of NJ! Nothing good will come of your continued residence in that state. Get out Now!
     
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    I was invited to a small private speech by lautenberg, where he stated "the deadly FN 5.7 pistol can go through 37 layers of kevlar at 200 yards.....we just took one off the streets in newark"... The recorders ONLY rolled during this part of the speech, the rest of it was mute. :cuss: :fire: :banghead:

    Needlesss to say if you do not know about firearms, kevlar range, this seems damned scary stuff, if you you are capable of thinking for yourself, and know a little you know it is "horse poop".

    Here is a picture of an 5.7x28, next to a 223
     

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    Uh, what kind of sick freak even suggests this kind of thing? :banghead:
     
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    What are these 48 layers of Kevlar ??

    This sounds like total hysteria.
     
  19. Standing Wolf

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    Of course! That's all it is.
     
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    Last I checked without a ballistic plate insert, most hunting rifles could penitrate most vest's. I have seen that demonstrated on the one's the military use's. Good for handgun's, but agiasnt rifle's without the plate it wont help much to my understanding.

    And it can't rip through the vest because it has the power. It can because t is small enough to force its way through the fiber's.

    Hell give me an ice pick, with enough force I can put it right through a kevlar vest, but that would be considerable harder with something like a hunting knife. Something which normally would do a lot more damage then an ice pick.

    What round is next? Ban on hunting rifle's because they will cut through a vest? How bout something liek a 22 magnum? (I would think 22 would do it with enough power, a 22 long might not have the punch), how about a .17?

    Maybe any gun because there is no such thing as truly bullet proof, if it hits the vest right most gun's can go through it esspecialy from the side.

    Last I checked it said the right to bare arm's shall not be infringed. Not the right to bare arm's so long as it can't go through body armor or put's you on par with what the military and goverment has.
     
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    I agree.
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    git r dun!
     
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    so does this mean that the police need them for violence?
     
  24. Lupinus

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    it is getting to the point they are going to tick one to many people off.

    You can deal with a bunch of wanna be ganster's

    Nothing compared to a bunch of back woods gun totting hick's.

    ....Or gun nut's in general

    But the image of gun tooting hicks is just more fun
     
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    Only via PPT, last I check it was not on 'da approved for new sale' list, so the only way to get one is for an out-of-stater to move in with one and then sell it to you.

    Yeah, I want one :)
     
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