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Interesting video with some interesting take-aways.
A gun, any gun, is probably going to work to stop a bear attack because bears don't like getting shot any more than anything/anyone does. Having that gun accessible is important, though. And having a reload can be important.
Great line, "Dangerous animals are definitely a reality, but if you spend more time thinking about a bear gun than, let's say, how to handle getting lost in the woods, you're probably doing it wrong."


 
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In all my life I have had one report of a bear down here, a small black bear that took off for the high country. Obviously lost. When I called it in to the local PD as an advisory, they went nuts looking for the animal, never found it.
In real bear country, I think I'd like an M1A1 Abrams. As a backup.
 
He has decent data, but be careful of Weingarten's interpretations. If you follow his work, you will see he is big into guns and handguns for bear defense, but against pepper spray for defense. However, he applies the criterion of stops differently in several cases.

For example, he will note that in the bear attack on Uptain in Wyoming, bear spray failed, not the pistol that Uptain's client could not make work, but if a person can't make bear spray work, then the bear spray failed. For the record, bear spray worked in the Uptain incident, It was simply deployed too late, but did apparently stop the attack.

Yet somehow the fact that he tried to use the gun and could not make it work was not a failure of a handgun in a bear attack. Amazing.

The OP article above does not even mention the Uptain incident.

I have not seen an article by Weingarten on this incident involving Beierman and his son, but I am sure he will not blame the pistol for a failure to stop the attack...

You have to read individual incidents. By and large he is correct in that guns do a good job, but I would not trust his numbers for how good as he is selective in the presentation of data.

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The problems with these attack data is that we don't always know motivation. As with attacks by humans, many attackers are much more easily repelled by what are effectively psychological stops than physiological stops. This attack was stopped by a punch to the face of a mama grizzly. https://www.newsweek.com/bear-attack-canada-punched-face-1930807 More than likely bear spray or a gun would have worked as well, right? Maybe not the same kind of attack when you have a really upset bear, like one on shot early in the day and are now trying to find and the bear finds you. In short, not all attacks are the same.

I mentioned the Beierman incident. It is recent. Bear hunt. Wounded bear tracked. Hunter attacked by wounded bear, attempts to use pistol to stop the bear but can't hit the bear (the charge was only 6 feet) and he 12 year old shot the bear off him. Things don't always work out that well.

That turned out much better than this incident where the attempt to shoot the hunted, wounded, tracked, and attacking bear got ahold of his hunter and the hunter's buddy went ahead and killed both of them, not meaning to kill his friend. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...s-bullet-not-bear-attack.616679/#post-7610405

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Yes, a pistol is good. Any is better than none (which I agree with Weingarten on this), but not all bear attacks are alike. You have bears driven off with a punch to the face. You have bears shot many times that press on the attack anyways. A NAA Mini revolver with .22 lr loaded with CCI Mini Mags means you have a 98% chance of winning the battle??

And remember, while this is a bear defense pistol story, it took two shooters shooting this bear 24 times to stop it. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2024/...times-share-their-stunning-story-of-survival/

Not all bear attacks are the same.
 
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When I was a small child we would slaughter a couple of hogs every year. One year I watched my father throw an ear of corn over the fence and he shot a 400 pound hog it between the eyes from about 2 yards with a 22 rifle. The hog just grunted and with blood pouring out of it's nose and continued eating the ear of corn and had to be shot again. I was forever in awe of large animals after that.
 
When I was a small child we would slaughter a couple of hogs every year. One year I watched my father throw an ear of corn over the fence and he shot a 400 pound hog it between the eyes from about 2 yards with a 22 rifle. The hog just grunted and with blood pouring out of it's nose and continued eating the ear of corn and had to be shot again. I was forever in awe of large animals after that.
Aye, we also butchered our own beef. I can remember a couple steers that just stood there after being shot center forehead with a .22. One took another shot, and another, after couple more shots, it took an axe in the forehead to drop it. Bovine head bones are tougher than you might think.

-West out
 
Around here the black bears fear you. The most you usually see is a streak across the road or a rump slipping into the woods. Some friends have hunted them over bait (55 gal drum filled with glazed donuts that had molasses pored over everything). One shot with a 44 MAG SBH and it was over. I usually carry a 44 MAG or my 45 Colt SBH with ruger only loads in bear country and feel plenty safe. Glad no grizzlies around here though. More worried about stumbling onto druggies protecting their pot fields actually.
 
Sadly, the most most common form of attack is via a surprise encounter. The bear may fear you but still slap you around and maul you in the process of trying to get away.
It's hard to quantify "common" when it comes to black bear attacks since they are so extraordinarily uncommon. Most people are somewhere in the vicinity of 300 times more likely to drown in a hot tub, 40 times more likely to be killed by a domestic dog and ten times more likely to be killed by lightning than they are to be killed by a black bear. Certainly makes for some passionate and extensive threads on forums though. ;)
 
I went fishing in Alaska last year and did a lot of research on what handgun to take.
I have a couple of 44 mags but they have long barrels and I figured they would be too heavy and unwieldy.
I thought about buying a Ruger Alaskan but they are heavy and I’ve got a bad back.
I finally settled on a Glock 20 10mm. 16 rounds and fairly light. Carried in a Diamond D chest holster.
I loaded it with Federal Premium Solid Core ammunition.
I never saw a bear but did step over some really fresh tracks. I did have a wolf come out on a gravel bar about 75 yards away.
 
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