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Battle of The Carbines : M-1 or High-Point ?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Gun Master, Sep 27, 2017.

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  1. Gun Master

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    I have owned both. Each have their plus and minus points. Good and bad, not to mention the ugly.
    Plenty of differences to make a good discussion.

    Please let us not get into the others (M-4, Bull Pup, Kel-Tec, etc.) in this thread (although that might be a good idea for another thread).

    It all depends on your prospective.
    M-1 Carbine or High-Point carbine ?
     
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  2. Jackal

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    For $200? HiPoint. For $850? M1. Its like comparing a '64 Mustang to a '91 LeBaron. They both do the same job, ones just older, better quality and collectible.
     
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  3. eastbank

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    no contest, m-1carbine all the way. eastbank.
     
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  4. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Apples and oranges unless Hi-point chambers theirs in .30 carbine. Unless by "battle" you mean, could one fellow with a good quality M1 outfight three opponents with 9mm Hi-Points? At 150yd, I would say yes.;)
    Seriously though, I wouldn't trade my brace of M1s for six Hi points for the same $ value, so M1 it is.
     
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  5. FL-NC

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    What this guy says. Would much rather use a gun that is built to (old) mil specs and proved itself on the beach at Iwo and Normandy, the frozen Chosin, VN, and every third world dirty war over the world and is STILL being used in some of them- than that other thing.
     
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  6. JeeperCreeper

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    Well I own a HiPoint and not an M1... maybe not by choice but it is the way it is...
     
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    Hi point, or atleast the one I own.

    Ive owned a couple m1s, and while they are a blast to shoot, ive never been particularly attached to them. I really like the way they carry, much like similar size lever guns.
    My accuracy hasnt been all that good. I really dont do well with any iron sights usually, and the stock sights, while pretty good, dont help.
    I also dont like the shape/length of the stock, tho ive handled sporter types i liked. Lack of easy/cheap optics mounts is a detractor for me.

    My hipoint has the ati stock and some work on it. I find it more comfortable, accurate, and easier to mount an optic on. Course the ease of optics mounting makes a big difference in my practical accuracy. The factory stocks ugly, tho functional, but i do like the ati more. The action and trigger are much simpler.

    One of these days when I have a grand or so to burn ill set up a carbine exactly the way I want. That might well change my mind.
    One thing i do like more is the .30 carbine round, tho id prefer it be a .327 or .357.
     
  8. MedWheeler

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    There is a wider and more-available (and more affordable) variety of ammo for the Hi-Point, and a lot of it can be very effective as a fighting round, which is what I assume the OP figures to have in mind for either gun's use.

    That being said, I'd choose the M1 for its pedigree, swift-handling build, and the "collectible factor." But, if I could afford one, I could also afford a Hi-Point to go along with it. I'd rather the Hi-Point get dinged up or end up in a police evidence locker than the Em-One.
     
  9. Gun Master

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    I see four collectors have expressed their opinions. Agreed. The M-1 is the collectible.

    What about affordability, home defense, size of hole produced, power of the round(s), variety of caliber / mm and its longevity , accuracy, currently manufactured and availability, etc......
     
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    As has been pointed out there is a considerable money difference in the initial purchase.

    One could buy at least two, if not three (hey, get one of each caliber!) Hi Points a load of ammo and multiple after market hi cap mags for the price of a decent condition M-1 Carbine.

    On the other hand which would I rather have to protect my family or even play around with and you plan to just give it to me free.....
    no contest......M-1 carbine.

    I personally like the 15 round magazines in the M-1, but most that went through a GI rebuild during their service life have the M2 type magazine release and can use the 30s quite well.....if you don't get commercial 30s and stick with GI US or Korean "banana" mags.

    The Army listed the Max effective range (that range at which the average trooper could achieve at least 50 percent hits on a kneeling man target) as 275 yards. The carbine is sighted however to 300 for those above average troopers, I guess. As a kid I shot holes in one side of an LP gas tank (valve removed it made a nice clang when hit) at 100 yards. Not sure a 9x19mm with FMJ could do that at 50 meters. Even out there at 300 meters the GI load is still trucking along at 950 feet per second, so faster than a .380 pistol at the muzzle with a heavier bullet. Despite a horde of war stories (and no doubt some are true) Marshall and Sanow listed even .30 GI FMJ from a carbine as a 90 percent one shot stopper in civilian shootings they could find (well over a hundred) with 100 percent through and through penitration of human beings. Their supposed nemesis Dr Martin Fackler used a carbine for his main home defense gun.

    Though rebuilt maybe two or three times since it left the factory by the Army that M-1 GI carbine you buy might have waded ashore at Normandy or some nasty little pacific Island, and or crawled up the boot of Italy, or jumped into Holland only to winter in Belgium and Marched into the alpine redoubt at Berchesgarten or even made a long cold walk from the Chosen finger lakes by the Yalu down another peninsula. Oh course it might have sat in an Arms room near Leesberg LA its entire service life, but hey.......

    How bout that Hi Point history?

    I am not putting the Hi Point down and would love to have one, especially one of the older models with the original stock or one with the ATI stock even more and would live with a "new" factory stock as a gift.

    Given the choice between the two though? M-1 hands down and spirits up.

    -kBob M-1carsafe.jpg
     
  12. TexasPatriot.308

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    I cant even see a reason for this argument....2 different animals, different in so many ways.
     
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    Cost highly favors the hi-point especially if you dont reload. Carbine rounds are 35-50 bucks a box here, and 9mm is 11-25, even the .45 rounds are about 15 bucks cheaper.

    I actually use my hipoint for home defense, its the hallway closet gun. My wife has little interest in practicing with any weapons, so having controls and magazine loading nearly identical to the 9mm pistol which is her bedside gun is helpful. Again the optics mount is nice, and added weight makes the gun steadier when fired quickly. lve got a short chunk of rail bolted to it with a small flashlight attached, tho you could do the same to a carbine.

    Down side is you only have 10rounds of on board ammo.
    Here if you fire your weapon in self defense, your guns gone till everything legal has been completed. If you get your gun back its unlikely to have been well cared. Id prefer to just write off a 200 dollar rifle.

    The carbine can legally have a hi cap mag here, which is a plus. With a optics mount, flashlight mount, and good expanding ammo id be just as comfortable with a carbine.
     
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  14. Gun Master

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    No argument, just a discussion. As you said "....2 different animals, different in so many ways."
     
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    I have owned both. One Hi-Point carbine in 9mm, and several USGI M1 Carbines.
    I wouldn't want to have to depend on either.

    The Hi-Point I owned worked fine. Shot more than accurately enough for a 9mm carbine. It was reliable. There were a number of things I really didn't care for about it, but, I would probably still have it if someone almost begged me to let him buy it from me.

    The M1 Carbine...........People on gun boards absolutely worship them. They have two things going for them in my opinion after having owned a few of them and shot them extensively as well as fired a whole bunch more. They are highly desired by a lot of people, and they are fairly valuable as a result. Other than that, there is nothing at all I like about them. They are not accurate. They shoot a lousy cartridge (both in terms of ballistics as well as the fact that it is a PITA to reload). The sights suck. Mine haven't been what I would consider super reliable although not terrible in that department. But....But...But...they were made to replace a pistol.....they were meant to be issued to people who's primary weapon wasn't a rifle......... Ok, fine, that doesn't mean I give it a pass. You will note that almost every good thing said about the USGI Carbine is the history of it. You won't find anybody showing you pictures of the groups they shot, or talking about the awesome ballistics of the cartridge. I still own one. If anybody wanted to pay me what I see people asking for them, I would tear the door off the safe to sell it to them. But, I don't actively try to sell guns, so it will sit in my safe probably until they clean out my estate having never been fired by me for decades. If it's one of your favorite guns, great. I personally don't care for them at all. I really wanted to. I tried. When I was a teenager if you asked me what I gun I would like to have the most, the USGI M1 Carbine would have been on the short list.
     
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  17. someguy2800

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    I would love to have both but have never had either. I am still kicking myself for passing up a $300 carbine about 10 years ago when I was broke. What I have been thinking about lately is a hipoint in 45 acp with a suppressor on it shooting 250 grain subsonics. I would actually like to see if I could get one to feed and stabilize 300 grain hornady xtp's. Give the 300 blackout something to think about lol.
     
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  18. eastbank

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    a half an hour with a dermal and polish your carbine will run like a top and stick with GI magazines. I did have a marlin camp 9mm semi-auto, but it developed problems and needed to go. if it was all I could afford to defend myself, I see nothing wrong with a hi-point if you check it out and trust its reliability and I agree a hi-point beats a stick. eastbank.
     
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    Between the two; M1 Carbine (make mine an M1A1), by a country mile.
     
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    I'll stick to the one with a proven combat reputation, the M1 Carbine.
     
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    My HiPoint has never failed and is quite accurate for a pistol caliber. Never fired an M1 carbine, but always wanted one. The HiPoint is a great option.
     
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  22. bikerdoc

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    Own both. Both have a place and purpose,
     
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    OK, so in the .30 Carbine round vs 9mm round...the 9mm has a wider variety of ammo available. It is cheap to purchase and reload. You can buy it anywhere. The .30 Carbine penetrates better. Neither penetrate like a real rifle.
    Neither round was built for accuracy, but in a Hi-Point vs M1 Carbine, the M1 carbine will win accuracy hands down.

    For home defense, the Hi-Point carbine's 10 round mags cause it to lose against just about anything.

    For an all-around fun and useful carbine, I like the 9mm better. It is a great cartridge in a carbine. I have a Hi-Point 9mm and other 9mm carbines that I will not mention per your request. I shoot 9mm carbines at least once a month. I have not shot the Hi-Point in at least 2 years.
     
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    What, no Poll?!

    M1 Carbine, please.

    and thank you.

    30 Carbine is plenty for what I would use one for. Its light, reliable, etc.
     
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    Disclosure: My response above is based on reliability, utility, and effectiveness more so than price or cool factor.
     
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