Acera
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Saw them at the NRA show, not impressed. Damn shame as they are in the next town over from me.................
(Post #2 nailed it.)
(Post #2 nailed it.)
Battle Rifle Company, not a glowing review.
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CoRoMo
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The flash suppressor videos are odd. They did a halfway decent job of demonstrating the flash from a non-suppressed muzzle and then with a birdcage. But when it comes to their own design, all you see is a blacked out screen and there's no way to know if you're actually viewing the muzzle of the rifle being fired or if the camera is aimed at the floor. I'd like to see the "Disintegrator" FS tested in the same manner that the other two videos were shot.
Acera
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Locked-n-Loaded, the brand new gun store in Seabrook, TX will be carrying these if anyone wants to check them out firsthand. I think they will actually get guns in there this weekend.
backbencher
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oldschool - impressed that you admitted a mistake. Few manufacturers do. While your mobile site is important, your primary site is the most important. Want to steal someone's thunder? Post your exposed gas tube pic as LearningCurve.html and repeat your admission above. There's nothing wrong w/ selling to the flashy crowd. Just use compatible components, and don't pretend to be a Noveske. Make money while you can, but keep an eye on the ball - the newb's 2nd AR's are going to be of higher quality, and a lot of the startups are going to fall away. Your time to get ahead of the ball is now.
LockedBreech
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Oldschool,
You show this photo on your website:
And this one:
Are the carbines in these photos your products?
If not, these need to come off your website immediately, as this is false representation. I occasionally write specifications at my job, and when we find out that vendors are using photos of products or installations in their advertising material that are NOT theirs, we write them out of our specifications immediately. If they can not be honest about what they actually produce or provide, or show others' products as their own, what else are they being dishonest about?
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I'm quoting this post purely for emphasis and agreement.
When I bought a Daniel Defense AR-15, it was after tons and tons of research. It cost more, but I got an objectively excellent rifle, and a DD rep would have zero trouble telling me exactly why each of their components is of high quality. In details, not generalities.
One of the most pressing reasons other than quality control that I've always disliked Taurus firearms is that they put out advertisements which portray their guns as military/police quality, when I do not believe their stuff meets that standard.
Your stuff seems to share the problems I have with Taurus, only multiplied by ten and set aflame.
The photos quoted, if another manufacturer's product, are perhaps the most egregious offense.
I don't fault start-up companies.
I don't fault recreational-grade, lower-spec ARs.
I don't fault overpricing - I'm a capitalist, if you can sell it and it's safe, charge $8,000, I don't care.
What I do fault is dishonesty.
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Sam Cade
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I wonder if the copyright holder of that photo knows it is being used for commercial purposes?
ObsceneJesster
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Seriously, this company is a joke. Nobody in their right mind would ever over pay for one of their rifles. They talk about how good their "custom triggers" yet I've seen reviews state that they have more play and grit than most stock triggers.
They then talk about how good their two piece handguard is and it's not even free float nor is it made by a high end reputable manufacturer. One would think a $1500 rifle would at least come with a nice free float quad rail.
Lastly, the owner claims his rifles are not mil-spec but instead "mil-spec PLUS". If mil-spec plus consists of using clamp on gas blocks with loctite on the screws then I guess I'll pass. At Shot Show, none of their rifles had staked castle nuts and they said they used loctite on them instead. I wouldn't exactly call that mil-spec plus either.
In the end, it's just another company trying to sell cheap rifles at a high premium. Their name tries to imitate one of the most reliable companies in the business (BCM) but to bad their quality can't imitate BCM as well. I want to know what person in their right mind would rather buy a rifle from Battle Company than Bravo Company.
They then talk about how good their two piece handguard is and it's not even free float nor is it made by a high end reputable manufacturer. One would think a $1500 rifle would at least come with a nice free float quad rail.
Lastly, the owner claims his rifles are not mil-spec but instead "mil-spec PLUS". If mil-spec plus consists of using clamp on gas blocks with loctite on the screws then I guess I'll pass. At Shot Show, none of their rifles had staked castle nuts and they said they used loctite on them instead. I wouldn't exactly call that mil-spec plus either.
In the end, it's just another company trying to sell cheap rifles at a high premium. Their name tries to imitate one of the most reliable companies in the business (BCM) but to bad their quality can't imitate BCM as well. I want to know what person in their right mind would rather buy a rifle from Battle Company than Bravo Company.
This Thread sorta took my by surprise. I own a BR 308 and Love it. It is a very nice rifle and goes boom on command.. I have it set up for hog hunting. The BRC has some pretty good bonafides too. Vertex Helicopters for one.. You use a BRC rifle if you hog Hunt from their helo. Why? Well, the rifle has to work and if you drop $2500 to shoot hogs from a helo, a broken rifle will ruin your day. So they use BRC rifles..
It also seemed rather unfair questioning how many proprietary BRC parts go into a rifle. How many go into a Ruger, or a S&W? FEW companies if any make all the internals. I may be wrong, but outside of DPMS and Colt (FN if you could by one, but you can't), how many AR companies make their own barrels? So Spec and Assembly is the name of the game. Mine was great, thats all I can say.. Oh, that and the Flash hider works so well I have put them on my .223 rifles too. I would like another for a .308 savage hog hunter.
I don't know why some one would write such a mean spirited review of a rifle they never fired. Internet warriors.. "I read a review the trigger creeps" is not a review. It is hearsay..
I found them to be very good quality rifles, light and reliable. Being local Houston, I know if I have a problem with my rifle I can take them to Chris and he will make it right. Right then and there. Thats worth money.. So far, it hasn't been an issue..
It also seemed rather unfair questioning how many proprietary BRC parts go into a rifle. How many go into a Ruger, or a S&W? FEW companies if any make all the internals. I may be wrong, but outside of DPMS and Colt (FN if you could by one, but you can't), how many AR companies make their own barrels? So Spec and Assembly is the name of the game. Mine was great, thats all I can say.. Oh, that and the Flash hider works so well I have put them on my .223 rifles too. I would like another for a .308 savage hog hunter.
I don't know why some one would write such a mean spirited review of a rifle they never fired. Internet warriors.. "I read a review the trigger creeps" is not a review. It is hearsay..
I found them to be very good quality rifles, light and reliable. Being local Houston, I know if I have a problem with my rifle I can take them to Chris and he will make it right. Right then and there. Thats worth money.. So far, it hasn't been an issue..
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Eh? Folks have a right to know what they are purchasing. These BRC rifles are seemingly assembled from the exact same off the shelf parts that I can buy. Heck, they are purchased from the same place I shop.
Compare that with Hogan for example:
Not an endorsement of Hogan, but they are upfront about what the consumer is actually purchasing.
Since you seem to be a person in the know, would you be taking it to his garage or is there an actual place of business?
Hokkmike
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I never got the AR bug. Seems that anyone who has a grinder and a file is putting one on the market today. Sure there are some excellent ones and a whole bunch of turds. My preference has always fallen to AK's, Arsenals and Saigas in particulare. The reason I've stayed away from AR's is that everytime I've been to the range many AR owners are constantly fiddling with their pieces as so many seem to have reliability problems. The AK guys come and shoot. I have never had a AK bobble a round and that's why I enjoy them.... aka108
Well stated. In a word, AR's are just too finicky.
Statement FAIL.
ARs are not finicky at all when well put-together of quality components. Which is exactly why this "Battle Rifle Company" is taking so much heat for their shoddily-assembled SHOT Show samples and their chronic inability to accurately represent themselves and the quality of the components used in their products.
Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Spikes, and plenty of other companies have no trouble manufacturing ARs that are incredibly rugged and reliable, and aren't "finicky" in the least bit.
after spending millions on a rifle the AR that was already made over 50 years changing grips handguards sites barrel length twist etc then changing the round with different bullet weights powder etc micro inspecting every molecue in the gun we still have a rifle that some find picky. if you gave me that much time and money I could have turned a pipe clamped on to a 2x4 into a plasma gun
Acera
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Hokkmike wrote:
Pure internet crap.
You might check out the following well written article:
http://www.defensereview.com/the-bi...pingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/
Quality guns will perform well. Build junk is always junk whether it is an AR, AK, FAL, etc........
Pure internet crap.
You might check out the following well written article:
http://www.defensereview.com/the-bi...pingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/
Quality guns will perform well. Build junk is always junk whether it is an AR, AK, FAL, etc........
LockedBreech
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A well-made AR will run circles around a middling quality AK. If my Daniel Defense ever bobbles a round I'll be sure to post about it.
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And now that the easily dispelled internet myths are popping up I think we are done here. If BRC would like to address some of the questions members have posed I'll be happy to unlock this but I am not going to do yet another AR vs AK thread.
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