"BBC elites confounded by their listeners" (self-defense related)

[agricola]

bog,

Its doesnt indicate premeditation any more than a burglar alarm indicates a criminal conspiracy to burgle your house, especially something like a cricket bat which most civilized people have about the house anyway.

 

[HankB]

The first priority in the war against property crime, he thereby asserted, should be a measure to enable the prosecution of homeowners themselves.

This quote (as posted by Mk VII) by Andrew Stunel, a Liberal Democrat, does much to illustrate the problem - a warped "blame the victim" mentality. Sick - thoroughly sick.

It's around here in the USA, too . . . I recall a report on CBS news about an attempted carjacking, foiled by an armed victim. The news reporter claimed that by driving a car "with $700 hubcaps" some claimed the victim was looking for trouble.

 

[Bog]

Its doesnt indicate premeditation any more than a burglar alarm indicates a criminal conspiracy to burgle your house, especially something like a cricket bat which most civilized people have about the house anyway.

Ah, righto - I'll expand that statement to say "A stout yet cheap cricket bat, to which I'm not emotionally attached"....

 

[MicroBalrog]

OC spray is classed as a section 5 firearm over here (ie provided you had the permit you could have it),

How many people have such permits?

 

[Mk VII]

nobody

 

[Kharn]

Is OC spray categorized differently from normal "pepper" spray, or do all sprays require the same license?

On college campuses in the US, pepperspray is practically handed out like candy...

Kharn

 

[Zedicus]

I'm not sure, but i "Think" that they are both classified the same, or atleast in this area anyway...

Then again, According to our Local PD, so much Pushing a attacker away with your arms/hands/legs/feet constitutes Armed Self Defence, and is Illegal according to them.

Although I am Seriously begining to Doubt the Validity of what the Police in this district say....
Especaly after what some Officers from other Districts have told me.....

I won't go into it now, but i will say that the info made me consider moving to a diffrent district...

 

[Don Gwinn]

I'm glad my pump shotgun isn't illegal.

I do have to chuckle at the Catch 22--you can legally use a firearm to defend your family, but only if you have it readily at hand when the break-in occurs.

Unfortunately, having a firearm "readily at hand" is, if I have understood Agricola's past posts on the subject, quite illegal.

So you can either call the police and hope for the best, or use your gun and go to jail for having it.

But you can't be thrown in jail for using it, see, so what the 'ell are you complaining about, Subject 9489?

:banghead:

 

[romulus]

Ag, do you have personally a strategy for defending your life, limb, and property, within the confines of your home? What tools have you set aside for this "unlikely eventuality"? Just curious about how you intend to respond in, let's say, well, any of the scenarios you've described...or, let's say, guy gets in window, prances around house looking for goodies, maybe for a lovely lady to entertain himself with, and suddenly he bumps into you...what 's your plan of action?

 

[Mk VII]

they would all be classed as 'prohibited weapon - adapted or designed for the discharge of any noxious liquid or any other noxious thing'
Yes, you must not have your firearm readily at hand - if you do you will almost certainly be done for not storing it securely.

 

[Moparmike]

Actually, in the super lawsuit happy 90's I was told by the sherriff in my town to do just that. In case the idiot sues for injuries.

I have heard from several friends (and was told by a former deputy now University PD officer) not only to do that, but to drag the body across the threshold into the house.

Far be it for me to tamper with evidence (unless its cold outside and the body is in the way of the door... ), I plan on having the body drop accross the threshold or just inside of the door. #8 birdshot at 10ft (3.1m) will most certainly put a whuppin' upon anyone that seeks to gain entrance to my home with dishonorable intentions.

 

[Quartus]

I have heard from several friends (and was told by a former deputy now University PD officer) not only to do that, but to drag the body across the threshold into the house.

Ah, yes, that's HIGHLY recommended!


...As a good way to turn a questionable or even a GOOD shooting into a homicide conviction.

 

[Moparmike]

I didnt say I would do it, nor do I condone it. I was just repeating someones bad advice as such.

 

[jimpeel]

It seems that Mr Pound's reaction to a rapist in his home would not be to pull the man from between his wife's legs and pummel him unmercifully. Instead he would hold the front door open, pointing into the street indignantly and making admoinishments to the man to "Never darken my door again" while waiting for the man to finish.

 

[jimpeel]

Agricola, et al

... prosecute motorists who forget to fill their screenwash reservoirs.

Puhleeeeeeze tell me they are being facetious!

 

[jimpeel]

Link to Mk VII's post on Telegraph Op-Ed wjich is located HERE

 

[jimpeel]

agricola

A person is smashing his way into your window. You get your key, run to the gun safe, unlock it, assemble your double barreled shotgun, unlock the drawer where the ammunition is kept, load the shotgun and confront them.

It turns out he is unarmed but starts advancing on you saying "What? You gonna shoot me? Huh? You gonna shoot me? I'm gonna take that thing and shove it up your a--!"

At this point, I assume that the only option open to you, under the current law, is to shove the shotgun up his a-- as that is all he is threatening to do to you. If you shoot him, would it not be an excessive use of force as he was only going to shove it up your a--? I mean that would hurt and all but surely doesn't qualify as appropriate to the use of deadly force does it?

 

[dustind]

Double post, my bad.

 

[dustind]

For the love of god do not drag bodies, blood will splatter when you shoot and it will be ovious where the bad guy was standing when he was hit.

My advice is to think long and hard if you live in Britian and value your life or property.

 

[romulus]

Agricola just vanished into the Swansee...

 

[Zedicus]

*peers into a nearby cave*
Nope, don't see him in there....

Back on Topic, I personaly see this Legislation getting a fair bit of support if it is ever made more widely known than it is now.

Far to many people are sick of the anti-self defence laws in this country, but Far to few will do anything....:banghead:

 

[Geech]

The people have spoken," the Labour MP replied to the programme, "... the bastards."

I sincerely hope this was taken out of context, although I cannot imagine what context would make this appropriate.

 

[Mk VII]

I just listed to the interview again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/zthursday_20030101.shtml
and there was a twinkle in his eye as he said it (if it's possible to have such a thing on radio), after which both interviewer and MP had a laugh.
It'll be a cold day in hell before anything comes of this.

 

[Bog]

Hmm. From discussions I've had over the last day, it sounds like the Tories (Conservative Party) are saying they'll push something like this through if they win the next elections.

Will ya look at the size of this grain of salt? How am I ever gonna get that in my mouth?

I can't see anything immediate coming of it, no. What I can see is a soft, inertia sodden change, just enough to take the edge off the Peepul's anger at the current situation. Something to appease just enough of the outrage that the majority's off the cusp of direct action.

Holy howling hells, someone must have topped off my Cynicism Reservoir for Christmas....

 

[publius]

I do have to chuckle at the Catch 22--you can legally use a firearm to defend your family, but only if you have it readily at hand when the break-in occurs.

Unfortunately, having a firearm "readily at hand" is, if I have understood Agricola's past posts on the subject, quite illegal.

Given that you can't use it to defend your @$$, it's probably just as well not to have it readily at hand.