Be a sheepdog!

[Andrew Rothman]

I've always wanted some low-key way for permit holders to identify each others. And I'm a big fan of David Grossman's "On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs" essay.

So when I found these, I ordered four dozen, announced them on the local TwinCitiesCarry.com forum, and they sold out in a day!

Would you be interested in buying one or more of these? If there's sufficient demand, I'll make a big order and start selling.

One proviso: I'd really, really like these to be worn by card-carrying, gun-carrying permit holders.

I figure they would cost $2 each, plus USPS shipping per order as follows:
1-4 pins: $1.25
5-8: $1.50
9-13: $1.75
14-17: $2.00
18-19: $2.25
20+: Free shipping

Let me know what you think by voting in the public poll above. Voting isn't a commitment, of course, just a straw poll to gauge interest.

Thanks!

Andrew

Have you read Dave Grossman's ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS?

Wish you had a secret handshake with other permit holders?

Need to add some jewelry to your wardrobe?

Pin, with a quarter to show scale

Close up

 

[george29]

Too big

I would like to see this nadge sized down to a Quarter, people would out of curiousity get close to read it. I would also feel like a schmuck wearing something that big.

 

[Cosmoline]

Grossman's an idiot. I suppose the pins are neat if you're a fan of dogs. As some sort of badge, they're a really bad idea. And a badge like that COULD come back to bite you in court if someone finds out you were wearing it as a way of saying you're a big tough protector of "the sheep."

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES!

 

[Car Knocker]

You left out "None" as a choice.

 

[Devonai]

I prefer "shepherd." How'bout a shepherd's crook pin?

 

[SoCalShooter]

Well honestly if I could CCW I would not want to advertise it ever not even to other CCW'ers. Just my opinion. However for the pin it is to large you want something smaller.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Can you make one that will fit in a CCW badge, like this?

I can't imagine why one would want a way to be identified by others as carrying unless one was desperately in need of validation from strangers.

 

[lawandorder]

Curious

Cosmoline just wondering why you say Colonel Grossman is an idiot?

 

[Jamie C.]

None for me, thanks... I don't carry a gun for the betterment or protection of sheep.

Besides... wolves have to eat too.


J.C.

 

[arctictom]

The sheep dog is a great great idea , loyal, friendly, and fearless. Mine has taken on a 1500 lb cow moose ( much to my chagrin ) . And he likes to fish .

 

[209]

I'm very careful what I wear that shows gun-related themes. I like the concept of the pin, but I wouldn't wear it. When I was in the military, I wore my marksmanship badges proudly (except for the one year in the Corps that I shot Sharpshooter. ) I was always embarrassed by that one. But, I got expert the next year, so it wasn't all bad.

As a LEO, I don't advocate the issuance or wearing of marksmanship badges for my PD. Our officers don't wear those pins. It can set the wrong tone when something happens and you're in court for that civil trail.

So, I follow through on that and try not to wear too many indicators of my chosen life style- i.e. firearms. Defense attorneys are a smart breed of bird- they can turn anything against you. My personal belief is to fly under the radar as much as possible. But, I do wear my "Federal- Heavy Hitter" ball cap. Most people don't even realize what it stands for.

BTW- I have attended three Grossman lectures. He says a lot of the right things. I'll admit he presents a simplistic concept, but he voices a lot of good things. His LEO series are very good. His books, put in the right frame, have some very valid thoughts. My 2 cents.

 

[lysander]

How about a pin that says something like...

"To hell with the sheepdogs!! To arms Sheep!! To arms!!"

 

[Jamie C.]

If the sheep had good sense, they'd attack the shepherds, since the shepherds "hire" the sheepdogs for the sole purpose of keeping the wolves from doing to the sheep what the shepherd is also planning to do to 'em... And the wolves, seeing that, would probably seek easier prey.


Sorry, but when it comes down to it, it really doesn't matter who's dinner you end up as; shepherd or wolf.

Me, I'm just not gonna be on the menu at all, for anybody.

J.C.

 

[armoredman]

Nope, not for me, thanks.

 

[Cosmoline]

Cosmoline just wondering why you say Colonel Grossman is an idiot?

I don't want to get the thread sidetracked too much. There are dozens of other threads on his so-called "science" of "killology." It's a bunch of garbage, based on slush from SLA Marshall and his ilk--most of which has been debunked by real scientists since then. Grossman's notion that human beings need his special training to kill is a bunch of hogwash. Any one of us can kill. I know a meek little Korean guy who put six rounds into a teenager who was trying to mug him. I know of a pastor out in the valley who shot two men in his church with a .44. We shoot tens of thousands of each other every year. We don't kill more because of the legal and ethical consequences involved. But each one of us is a killer ape. How the devil does that idiot Grossman think we survived so long with such thin skin in a universe of tooth and claw? Why do 1,000 lb. brown bears run away from me in terror?

Just as his assertion that we are "sheep" "sheepdog" or "wolf" is a bunch of hogwash. The cop on the beat is not a "sheepdog" protecting me from "wolves." We are all just citizens of the same republic, all human men. He's not a different "breed" from me.

 

[Biker]

Well said, Cosmo, although I wouldn't care to try and chase off a 1000lb bear.
Intrinsically, we're all killers - just takes the right circumstances.
Having said that, I don't see a need for some of y'all to be harshin' on Andy - he asked a fair and simple question. No need to tee off on the boy.

Biker

 

[Cosmoline]

I wish they would chase me. I keep buying a tag every year, and it's like they know I have it. The most I've ever seen of a brown bear in the woods is his big fuzzy behind running off at top speed.

I'm not trying to flame anyone, but I think the point against this whole badges nonsense needs to be made strong and clear. It really is a bad idea, and it really could cause you problems if you shoot someone in fuzzy circumstances. Besides, concealed means concealed.

 

[Biker]

I agree. Concealed means concealed.
However, no need to down a man asking a simple, innocent question.

I still don't want to be on the same mountain with a 1000 lb hungry bear.
Luck to you.

Biker

 

[sm]

Besides, concealed means concealed.

Agree.

Personal Responsibility means get your own damn training to arm yourself with knowledge, and in the use of said knowledge.

Keep this knowledge Concealed , including keeping your damn mouth shut, how you dress and how you carry out your activities of daily living (ADLs)

IF...IF any tools are used in conjunction with this Knowledge and Training, such as hands, feet, sticks, knives, firearms...keep these concealed as well.


I suggest one of you girls decide who is going to get raped first while the other dials 911.

Exactly what I told told 2 anti-gunners scared to walk to their vehicles after a Theartre performance when they wanted myself and others to walk them out.

They pleaded, begged and finally got Theartre Security to walk them out and breaking rules in doing so.
One anti-gunner gal chose to become Pro Gun, and get educated, and CCW.

Screw 'em, less anti-gunners alive, less to mess with Politics, and less I and others have mess with in Preserving Freedom.

Let Evil have all 'em them anti-gunners I say...

Other CCW folks?

Hell I am going to run as fast as I can the other direction if I see a CCW Badge or any other ID method!

In fact I have left such a situation just recently when Wanna Be Chest Thumpers showed up with CCW badges!!

 

[DMK]

Cute pin, but no thanks.

I agree with the others that said it. I'm responsible for my own protection, just like every individual is. I don't expect anyone to be my sheepdog, and I sure don't want to be anyone else's.

Not to say I wouldn't help someone out if they were stuck in a bad situation, that's just being a human being, but I sure don't see it is my responsibility because I carry a gun to protect myself. Folks want protection, they need to get it for themselves.

Personally, I'd rather wear a peace sign or a dove.

 

[Wheeler44]

Well said Cosmoline. Well said Steve.

 

[arctictom]

I agree that concealed means concealed , and I would love to give a bunch of pins to GFWs. This pin has the potential of becoming a a major sporting event.

And I like the pin.

 

[Mr White]

I'd buy one but it'd clash with my CCW badge, which I pin prominently on my 550 tac vest.

 

[aaronrkelly]

Put me down for 0

 

[Hypnogator]

I'll take 4.