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Beam Me Up, Scotty, Another Judge Clone

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by alienbogey, Jun 15, 2011.

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  1. baylorattorney

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    I hear a lot of gunowners disrespecting the Judge and they are simply ignorant or misinformed. With the ammunition available today,especially Winchester pdx1, make the Judge an excellent choice for stopping and dropping would be attackers with the first shot at normal self defense shooting ranges. The reason being the multiple impacts. When projectiles hit a body in that quick and numerous a times the body, its major organs go into hemorrhagic shock and fail. That's why a .32 skorpion is such a killer. This is scientific fact.
     

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  2. sixgunner455

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    Didn't Freedom Arms make one of these?

    (Or was that a BFR that just had the freakishly long cylinder to hold old blackpowder rifle cartridges ...)
     
  3. Vern Humphrey

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    I believe that revolver was chambered for the .45-70 (hence the name "big f**in' revolver.")

    It suffered from the same problem the .45/.410 revolvers suffer from -- the cylinder length made it less than ideal for a carry gun.
     
  4. RugerMcMarlin

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    Does it come in NICKLE?:)
     
  5. goon

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    Got any gelatin tests to back this up?
    Not that I don't think that the .410 can't reliably do the job, but to me birdshot pellets are not to be counted on. You get into the range of No.4 buck pellets or so and I'd start trusting them. As for the disks, maybe they would penetrate far enough. How much do they each weigh?
    To me, this load looks like a gimmick load that would be outclassed by a load of .410 00 Buck, but I'll gladly admit it if I'm wrong - just show me proof.
     
  6. plunge

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    good gun for sd or not, i dont think i'd want to be on the receiving end.
     
  7. ExMachina

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    "I hear a lot of gunowners disrespecting the Judge and they are simply ignorant or misinformed."

    "the Judge an excellent choice for stopping and dropping would be attackers with the first shot at normal self defense shooting ranges."

    glad somebody knows something around here...
     
  8. Vern Humphrey

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    I wouldn't want to be in the receiving end of a .22 short.

    But the question is, what gun do I want with me when the chips are down? For me, the .45/.410 combo revolvers, because of their bulk, are not a good carry guns -- which means I won't have one on me when I need it.
     
  9. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    The only use I can see for a pistol like this, is a snake gun. If I lived in a place where snakes were a problem I would have a revolver like this on my left hip and my regular carry on my right with the revolver being ONLY a snake gun.
     
  10. Vern Humphrey

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    Me, I'd stuff a shot load or two in my usual carry gun.
     
  11. DWFan

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    Quote from Dammitboy:
    "What about .444 marlin loads?"

    Because of the case diameter, the .444 would be limited to low pressures and there would be too much of a chance someone would stick factory ammo in it and do some serious damage to himself. The .38-55 Win has a much smaller case diameter and, if the revolver can handle the factory pressure of the .45 ACP (22 kpsi), it should be capable of handling the .38-55 loaded only 4-7 kpsi higher. +P .38-55 factory ammo, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't exist.
    Of course, some nimrod could put a .375 Win in it and blow it up, but they couldn't claim it was done by accident.
    My point was that it would be an excellent crossdraw holster companion weapon to a .38-55 Winchester or Marlin lever-action and, with a 10" barrel, be approx. the same size as a Buntline.....
    ....and especially wild loaded with blackpowder.
     
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  12. jon_in_wv

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    I don't think I would feel particularly under armed with revolver stuffed with 5 shots or 00 or 000 buck regardless of what the jello has to say on the matter.
     
  13. goon

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    Agreed. And to you guys who need to carry an extra gun dedicated entirely to the killing of snakes, where do you live?
    Because I don't ever want to move there...


    Back to the topic at hand, depending on price I could see this as a viable SD gun.
    Things in its favor:
    1. It seems that the company has actually put some R&D into making this work. Looking at their test results on patterning, I think that with a 2.5" 000 buck load it would be effective as a close range defensive gun. According to PTK's research, at least some rounds fired from a short barrel .410 pistol have enough steam to ensure adequate penetration. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=583903

    2. It looks to be overly heavy as a carry gun, but I don't see actual specs. It's possible that with the short barrel and the large chambers in that cylinder, it won't end up being any heavier than an L or N frame S&W.

    As I said, I don't think I'd buy it at this point in time. Maybe if my finances were unlimited and I just wanted to blast at stuff for fun with a .410 pistol I would, but as of now I'm not convinced it does anything better than the guns I already have at my disposal. But I don't think it would be ineffective in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing as far as load selection and sticking within the limitations of the gun.
    And a great many of the complaints I have heard about the Judge haven't been due to the .410 cartridge, they've been because of Taurus' lack of quality control. So if you take the quality issues out of the equation...
     
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  14. bcp280z

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    Lawl at the M4 flash suppressor, their description sounds feasible and this one is more aesthetically pleasing. I would like to try one out but not buy one.

    I recommend anyone that has the urge for a fun gun in 45/410, cause that's all the Judge and variants are, get a Super Commanche for less than $200, 10in barrel, SA, more accurate, less to go wrong, and no feeling of buyer's remorse.
     
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    As I have said many times before, everyone should carry/use for SD what they feel comfortable with. This goes for both the gun and the ammo in it. How others feel about your choice is a moot point.

    If the new .45/.410 revolvers trip your trigger, I say go for it. I feel they are too big and bulky for me to carry altho I do believe they would make a good truck/car gun. The problem I have with this new clone is the fact it's a SA, and the way the manufacturer recommends loading it for SD.
     
  17. lobo9er

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    looks like some fun to me and might make a good woodchuck gun.

    Doesnt solve any problem except being something different.
     
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  18. Lawdawg45

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    "I hear a lot of gunowners disrespecting the Judge and they are simply ignorant or misinformed. With the ammunition available today,especially Winchester pdx1, make the Judge an excellent choice for stopping and dropping would be attackers with the first shot at normal self defense shooting ranges."

    Respectfully, I must disagree. First, one shot kills are a rare thing as documented by FBI statistics, and secondly the Judge has been showing terrible shot patterns with .410 bird shot at even 10 yards. An intruder in your home potentially could be very near a family member and put them at risk with the unpredictable and inaccurate shot pattern. It was originally marketed as an anti-carjacking gun, would it be a good glove box gun? Yes, but other than that it's use is novel at best......in my opinion.;)

    LD45
     
  19. nonseven

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    I've got to try one of these.

    I've got a BFR 45/410 with the choke and it's simply amazing - patterns like a shotgun. But it's a monster to carry.

    The Taurus Judges simply don't pattern well at all with shot - not any better than a 357/44/45 with the CCi shot cartridges. For snakes you're better off learning how to hit small targets with precision with a bullet.

    But if this new gun patterns like they say it does, it could really be a useful little gun with shot - snakes, or small game at close range.

    It doesn't have to be extremely practical - shooting shot with pistols is extremely fun and can be useful is certain situations - if it patterns well.
     
  20. oneounceload

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    As long as the design itself is safe for the shooter to operate, who cares? If you want one, get one

    There are many guns and designs out there, and all of us will have a few we think are stupid - easiest way to show your displeasure is with your wallet
     
  21. nonseven

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    I just talked to a sales rep at the company about when you can order - they sell direct to dealers.

    One factor he said I should be aware about in this gun - is that if you hold the gun elevated, that is with the barrel pointing upward at all (not level or downward) that gravity could cause a round to shift backwards and this could prevent the cylinder from rotating.

    That wouldn't be so good if ever their was a need to use the gun for self defense, or any situation where you had to aim the gun upwards.
     
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    I have to admit, the gun has a unique look, especially with the flash hider. It would not surprise me if a hollywood prop man had one plated to make it stand out and put it in a movie.
     
  23. lobo9er

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    this is something i might consider. i really like how it looks. if it functions good looks like a decent handgun to me.
     
  24. lobo9er

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    I think they look rad. IMHO
     
  25. goon

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    I wonder why they didn't install a loading gate...
     
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