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bear attacks in gun free utopia

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gunsmith, Jul 15, 2003.

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  1. gunsmith

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    http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~181~1512164,00.html

    It is illegal to bring a gun into a national park.
    these guys did everything right,proper food storage etc,
    yet the bear attacked.
    No way for these young men to fight back.
    this really stinks.
    Whomever made this stupid rule should be made to hunt those bear
    with a whistle and a pot to bang a lid on
     
  2. mete

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    Some years ago by far the biggest problem in the national parks was crime. That's when you really needed a gun. You were far more likely to be a crime victim than a bear victim.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    No way to fight back? Just shoot the bear.:confused:

    El Tejon, confused about Eloi and bears.
     
  4. Art Eatman

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    "It's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."--Old saying, usually attributed to an unknown LEO.

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  5. El Tejon

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    Art, hmmm, true, but "tis better to live in a state that shot all its bears before the soccermommies and watermelons took over.":D
     
  6. TallPine

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    I consider Yellowstone and Glacier parks to be like NY and DC - victim disarmament zones.

    I don't go there - there are plenty of other nice places with fewer people, and no gun restrictions.
     
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    hmm..., guns aren't allowed in the national parks, and yet the park ranger or police weren't there to protect them from an attacking bear. Makes me think that a each person should be responsible for their own safety and carry the proper tools to defend against an attack.

    While it may be against the rules to pack back in bear country, I think it is crazy not to do so.
     
  8. Sindawe

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    No firearms in Nat. Parks

    Yep, this is why I no longer camp or even day hike in Nat. Parks. No big loss really, since there are LOTS of lovely, isolated wild places outside of National Parks to camp. Places where there is just as much wildlife, breathtaking vistas and no hassles with being armed.
     
  9. Cosmoline

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    The NPS is a para-military organization. One of the worst branches of the federal government. They have done horrible damage up here in Alaska, creating tame bears for the tourists, then herding all the idiots by in buses. Locals, in the mean time, are NOT welcome. You can't even set foot on their occupied territory without getting permission and filing a plan. If I were President, the first thing I'd do is shut them down and divide up their holdings.

    I heard on the news that they're facing some serious budget cuts. This is a step in the right direction.
     
  10. Dr.Rob

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    Heck bear sightings are rare in Rocky Mountain National Park and by the way there is NO LAW against carrying bear spray in the parks.

    Be prepared.

    Try to keep it gun related.
     
  11. TallPine

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    Ime gun shoot any bar wot chews on my hed
     
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    They won't let you go armed, that's the relation to guns. Everything else I mentioned just reinforces the old belief that rulers who prohibit firearms are doing so for a reason. They want to make citizens into subjects, people into sheep, wilderness into zoos. Go into a national park at your own risk.
     
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    I'm sorry if I sound like an insensitive jerk, but I cannot feel too much sympathy at all for them.

    The concept of camping out in the woods without a firearm or three is so alien and unfathomable to me its not funny.

    12 or 6. They chose poorly.
     
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    In Kruger national park in South Africa you also can't carry.
    So they put your gun in a brown paper bag and staple it together. Have to show the "seal" when you leave the park.
    I was about to ask the gate keeper if "this is Kruger game park". :D
    Went to another park in S.A. also, but all they said was: "Don't shoot the animals". :)
    Like shooting an elephant with a G34 is an option... :p
     
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    Guys, guys, obviously this is a falsified story. The park rangers would have been there to help them. Duh.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    While I have the greatest sympathy for those young men, I have less for all of the whiners on this board. No guns is the deal in National Parks. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. There is far more land in Nat. Forest and BLM jurisdiction were you can carry till your heart's content.

    The occasional bear mauling is unfortunate, but a small price to pay for having our parks degraded to the Disney experience some would seem to want.
     
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    Malone, animals over people???:eek: Never understood this Druid philosophy.:confused:

    "No guns" is also the policy in that National Wilderness called Chicago. Didn't heed that policy either.:D
     
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    Judged by twelve is better than eaten by one.

    :D
     
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    The human herd is in no danger of extirpation in any range I know of. There ought to be a few places where the critters are favored. People can take their chances with the understanding of what they're getting into from the start.

    I've camped in Rocky Mtn NP and all over the west, and rarely ever felt the need for a firearm.
     
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    i wonder what the fines would be compared to the medical cost an lost work is?

    course since its federal land and a federal crime it is probably a felony.
     
  21. TallPine

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    So ... are NY and DC and Chicago etc "preserves" for criminals ????

    :neener:
     
  22. 4v50 Gary

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    Tallpine - wuz a bar chawing on u when u typed dat? :D
     
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    "The occasional bear mauling is unfortunate, but a small price to pay for having our parks degraded to the Disney experience some would seem to want."

    I'm assuming this is sarcastic.
     
  24. Malone LaVeigh

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    It would seem.

    Not in the least. For the same reason I don't need guardrails on wilderness trails.
     
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    Well I am NOT OK with the NPS turning OUR wild lands into de facto theme parks. And I'm NOT OK with sheeple who want to drive through and see the tamed bears who've been conditioned not to fear humans. I cannot express how deeply I loath those people and what they have done to parts of this great state. Their crimes are monumental, and they will be made to pay in the life to come.

    And (relating this back to guns) I think the whole thing is a PERFECT example of how firearm laws act as a gauge to determine the level of tyranny in a location. Look at airports, Chicago, New York City, National Parks, the UK, the Jim Crow south--all these places you will find bans on firearms AND repressive authorities treating humans like animals and adults like children.
     
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