Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by mcb, Sep 26, 2022.
The bullets used are all FMJ and hardcast for maximum penetration.
@mcb thanks for posting this video!!!!
Love those Snubbies
Guess it really doesn't matter. It was fun to watch.
If any one can get several rounds of 460 S&W or 500 S&W off on a charging bear it would be Scott (the dude in the video in the OP) he holds at least one world record for shooting those big X-frames fast. I believe his record is 5 shots of 500 S&W in a hair under 1 second.
As for the rest of us very few of us are ever going to need to fast draw on a bear. And those few that might I suspect have picked a weapon appropriate and practiced. More and more evidence points to the fact that within reasonable limits that gun is not nearly as important as being proficient and mentally prepared to defend yourself. But that is true for more than bears.
Me and the unarmored opossums have gone round and round many a time and me and my Model 10 have always come home with my anatomy intact.
I smoked a ‘possum once in my back yard with a 22 air rifle. Had him on the grill minutes later. He stank to high heaven, but tasted delicious. They’re just fatty enough not to dry out easily.
Honestly, I don't know. I'd have to go check to even find out how long the barrel is on the G29. But here's some useful information to help you figure it out:
Well, I stand corrected concerning Scott. Thanks for pointing that out. He knows what he is doing and he probably puts a lot of rounds downrange with those cannons to stay proficient. He can carry anything he wants. But it doesn't change my general perception that most people carrying specific "bear guns" or "woods guns" are not putting thousands of rounds through them per year. Judging by what I see at the ranges I frequent, most people in my area really don't shoot too well, including the guys blamming away at oversized silhouette targets with their 10mms at 7 yards. I also can't recall the last time I have heard anyone shooting magnum revolver cartridges.
I just carry my 9mm carry guns loaded with 147 grain +P hard cast or Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators when I'm in the woods. I've been carrying them bow hunting all month. We don't have grizzlies, but we have just about everything else you can find in the mountain west. The critters we stumble upon the most on a regular basis are moose. We've also been having a problem black bear running around the cabin lately.
Good points. Though 4 feet of bare gel isn't quite the same as 4 feet of bruin. Or 5 feet, or ...well you get my point.
Also, we should consider that if the shooter misses the brain, there's still a good chance of that bullet making it's way into the thoracic cavity. But the journey isn't going to be an uncomplicated one. And one would prefer the bullet to still be moving at magnum velocities when it gets there, for the wounding such flat nosed projectiles cause at speed.
But yes, shootability is certainly worthy of consideration. And honestly is part of the reason I have revisited my carry choices for big bear and moose. 10mm and .357 Magnum is about the most I can control for multiple fast shots with decent accuracy. I could do quite well with .44 Magnum back when I shot 50 rounds a week, but those days are behind me.
How many of those you see at the local range are wandering in bear country? I would venture a very small fraction. It's up to each person to be prepared and I don't worry much about those that choose not to.
Personally I would rather see someone competent with the 9mm in bear country than not competent with more gun.
Here in middle Tennessee I have yet to tangled with anything that my trusty old 38 Special could not handle. But in bear country I don't think my 44 Mag is going to slow me down that much given I competed in USPSA for years shooting an identically configure revolver in 10mm/40S&W. Having shot the big boys 460 & 500 they were fun but not for me. My wrists tolerate 44 Mag just fine but that about my effective limit.
I would say that a very large fraction of the people I see at the ranges are wandering in bear country for at least some times during the year. I live in a largely rural state with a small population and a lot of outdoor land and recreational opportunities. Without considering big game hunting where people are carrying long guns, camping is an extremely popular past time. It is rare to see anyone wearing a large handgun. Mostly I see ordinary carry guns, if any. (No chest rigs, either.) I think that people over worry about bear guns for most places.
It makes the argument about shots in target very valid. Now I will probably not run out and buy a 9mm for bear protection. It does make me ask myself if my 357mag or 45acp may be a better choice??? Than my newly purchased 44mag. Don't get me wrong I like the 44mag but before I carry it for defense I will be testing, testing, & testing.
Here in rifle bullets, the concept of straight path through media of flat point bullets explained
Edit to add: Black Hills shows the path of .45 Auto 200 gr semi-wadcutter and 230gr ball ammo through gel. Note how straight the 200 gr semi-wadcutter's path is. The fmj round yaws at the end of the path.
Very sensible. But also consider that in the video he's doing stuff like shooting a ball as it roles past him. A charging bear will be coming directly at you. Several sources of information I've come across even suggested kneeling down so that your point of aim stays in line with the bear's head as it runs towards you. That would take some grit, but might help.
I think the most important thing is to get the gun out and on target as fast as possible, for a first well aimed shot. Everything after that will have to be improvised.
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