Been considering getting into a progressive press

if I don’t want to buy lots of adapters and don’t mind screwing/unscrewing my dies, just use some Lok-tite to mount the BreachLoks in the press.

You lose the advantages of the quick-in/quick-out system but you save the cost of the adapter for each die
According to Calvin from Lee Precision, that's why SPP/Pro 6000 kits are being shipped with Smart Lock Bushings with O-ring so dies can be easily adjusted/removed - https://leeprecision.com/ez-set-spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing-4-pack.html

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If you don't want dies to move, then you can use the Ultimate Lock Rings (Has O-ring on bottom so can use as O-ring lock ring or tighten the bolt to lock ring to die. Best of both worlds and hence "Ultimate" ;)) - https://leeprecision.com/ultimate-lock-rings-4-pack.html

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Or breech lock bushings with Ultimate Lock Ring built in called "Spline Drive" breech lock bushing but no O-ring so lock only (Comes in 2/3/4 pack) - https://leeprecision.com/spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing/

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There may come a time when you just get tired of all this changing and changing again......that is me after a lot of years. It's exactly why I got my first progressive in the first place. (not because I shoot so much I needed one) The year is easy to remember. December Obama's first win.....when ammo, reloading components and equipment were rare as hen's teeth, like they are now. So I started thinking permanent setups and if not permanent, quick easy caliber changes of things better left, not permanent.. So now I have 3 singles, and three progressives. My first two progressives were not cheap...but ones easy to change calibers on....the Pro 2000, and the Pro Chucker 7. They use tool heads similar to Dillon's 6 or 750. You typically don't change what's on the tool heads. That's the point of them....change the toolheads not the tools.

But then I bought Lee's little APP for case processing and discovered that little and inexpensive could be REALLY useful, especially with a quickchange feeding system.

That lead to my interest in this new Lee 6000.....and I was right to think this could be as time saving as my expensive presses, and do it just as well. Cheap enough you can buy several if you really want to stop the caliber dance....if you have the room. But I only need one, since I already have two progressives.

But the point for me is NOT reusing dies on different presses....it's dedicating presses for specific dies & calibers ....excepting the "processing presses"......I can think that way because I don't load a million calibers. So just to demonstrate, for food for thought....here's what my goal is.....

1. My Pro 2000 for pistol calibers.....why? because I have pistol bullet and case collators/feeders made for it, that can load 9mm, .40, .45acp, and .357 without even changing a turning plate. (yes one plate on each collator does it all).........so on the press itself, the tool head changes by sliding them out, the shell plates change by screwing a center bolt in and out, one powder measure just drops in the tool head permanently mounted powder die, and power charge moves to a preset according to caliber and bullet. (and of course tested and adjusted slightly for the day's humidity.) Primer size change takes 20 seconds on that press.

2. My Pro Chucker and Pro 6000 for rifle calibers, .308 and .223., set up with case and bullet feeders, and never moved......therefore I prefer, on the 6000, to use set screw versions of Lee's bushings......since I don't plan to change them a lot. But I can easily, if I a get a whim to try something new. The bushings are pretty inexpensive to have a set or two lying around for just that.

3. Then there's case prep.....my two APP's Lee's APP and my modded RCBS Summit for bigger rifle calibers. This is where TylerR's quickchange really shines.

4. Finally last but not least, my Rock Chucker II, for load development and for rifle calibers I don't shoot much of, like .270, .30-30, .243, and .22-.243.
 
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According to Calvin from Lee Precision, that's why SPP/Pro 6000 kits are being shipped with Smart Lock Bushings with O-ring so dies can be easily adjusted/removed - https://leeprecision.com/ez-set-spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing-4-pack.html

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If you don't want dies to move, then you can use the Ultimate Lock Rings (Has O-ring on bottom so can use as O-ring lock ring or tighten the bolt to lock ring to die. Best of both worlds and hence "Ultimate" ;)) - https://leeprecision.com/ultimate-lock-rings-4-pack.html

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Or breech lock bushings with Ultimate Lock Ring built in called "Spline Drive" breech lock bushing but no O-ring so lock only (Comes in 2/3/4 pack) - https://leeprecision.com/spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing/

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I chose to go with the latter for my Lee APP. The idea of the APP is to simply the first two steps of case management: depriming and resizing, but in two steps, not just one, without losing portability.
The Ultimate shows Lee is listening not just to customers but prospective customers.
 
if I don’t want to buy lots of adapters and don’t mind screwing/unscrewing my dies, just use some Lok-tite to mount the BreechLoks in the press. Basically convert it to standard thread. You lose the advantages of the quick-in/quick-out system but you save the cost of the adapter for each die and it’s easier to make adjustments to the dies if they’re also going to be used in a non- BreechLok press.
That almost seems like a cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of thing...granted they do cost almost $5 each.

But then I know folks who own a Dillon and screw their dies out to change calibers, because they don't own another toolhead...it just strikes me as a false savings
 
I thought the bushings were an answer to a non problem, didn’t see screwing/unscrewing them as an issue, and I had a LOT of dies, but fortunately that was years ago when bushings were much cheaper.

After using them, well, they’ll spoil you. Not to mention they float a bit and help center cases in dies, and they are always the same, where before we had to be consistent when screwing them in/tightening them up.

Bushings aren’t going away.
 
I'm a tinkerer by nature so any tweeking required on initial set up is fine by me, not so much if the press constantly needed attention.
Reading this, to me, just screams Hornady LNL AP.

There are all kinds of little adjustments you can do to make it run just right.

I have the factory case feeder, because that is what was available at the time. Mine works great, but I keep hearing about folks having issue which keep coming up. I finally found a user local to me who was having issues and offered to help get it set up for him. Turned out that his issue was one of Gorilla Solution...sometimes known as the Larger Hammer Solution...he just kept tightening things until he bent them out of alignment

If I were doing it all again, the 3D printed case feeders are really slick
 
Dillon 550b as it always seemed the most versatile. No auto indexing means I can run in as a single stage, handles all the calibers I've wanted to reload. Pistol calibers are around 500/hr using full progressive. Rifle calibers I split into 3 stages anyway.
 
That almost seems like a cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of thing...granted they do cost almost $5 each.

But then I know folks who own a Dillon and screw their dies out to change calibers, because they don't own another toolhead...it just strikes me as a false savings
It has more to do with how I hand-load. I use a Lee Hand Press sometimes when I don’t feel like hauling the Partner/stool out or for just a few rounds. Neither my Lee nor the RCBS both use any kind of quick bushing. Having multiple dies is fine - and I do - but not for everything I reload. I don’t mind running the dies in/out or readjusting them for each setup. I consider it a good exercise in keeping those skills sharp.

So for me, the quick detach bushings are a hindrance not a help.

Obviously, this falls under the category of, “Don’t do what I do…”
 
Funny..............I've never heard you say that before........................................................................:p
Dude! Seriously?:eek::neener:

This is also why my advice to @Stefan A is to follow his gut and try something new/different. We all have our own ways of doing things and we all have to find those ways on our own. Maybe he hates it for the same reasons I don’t use a progressive. He can probably recoup his cost pretty easily. If not, then he learns a fairly good lesson for little cost. But suppose he decides that the progressive he decided on is the best thing since sliced bread? Then advising him not to try would have been a mistake. I think trying new things is a good thing if you have any interest and any idea it might be beneficial. If not beneficial, then there’s no reason to go in a direction that is counterproductive at best.
 
Dude! Seriously?:eek::neener:

This is also why my advice to @Stefan A is to follow his gut and try something new/different. We all have our own ways of doing things and we all have to find those ways on our own. Maybe he hates it for the same reasons I don’t use a progressive. He can probably recoup his cost pretty easily. If not, then he learns a fairly good lesson for little cost. But suppose he decides that the progressive he decided on is the best thing since sliced bread? Then advising him not to try would have been a mistake. I think trying new things is a good thing if you have any interest and any idea it might be beneficial. If not beneficial, then there’s no reason to go in a direction that is counterproductive at best.

There is one reason......you might be a divergent like me. Been that way all my life. When I was into Motocross....my friends bought Yamahas, I bought Suzuki 370. When I could buy my own car, my friends bought Chevelle SS's, Mustangs, and Camaros.....I bought a GTO. Any question why I passed on Dillon, Hornady, and bought green progressives? What's the challenge in buying the most popular things? ;)
 
I thought the bushings were an answer to a non problem, didn’t see screwing/unscrewing them as an issue, and I had a LOT of dies, but fortunately that was years ago when bushings were much cheaper.

After using them, well, they’ll spoil you. Not to mention they float a bit and help center cases in dies, and they are always the same, where before we had to be consistent when screwing them in/tightening them up.

Bushings aren’t going away.

Maybe you can convince Dillon and RCBS to make toolheads to fit bushings instead of those boring threads! Then you'd have the best of both worlds! ;)

I'll be honest.....if Lee made the 6000 with a tool head....I'd like it even better. Trying to like it....but I may lose track of all those dies on the loose!
 
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The Lee has it's dies as close together as the Dillon. They each require a special wrench to fit between the dies...the Lee's built-in tool holder is a nice touch.


The Hornady has a lot more space between dies. I just need to grab a die body, give it a quarter turn, and lift it out. What I like is being able to use it with only a couple of dies by switching their placement...without having duplicate dies.

Before I got my APP, I was using the Hornady to swage .223/5.56mm cases with their swaging system literally as fast as I could run the handle

I like mine too.

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I'll be honest.....if Lee made the 6000 with a tool head....I'd like it even better. Trying to like it....but I may lose track of all those dies on the loose!
I'm not a big fan of tool heads. It's hard enough to store dies with LNL bushings much less a tool head...I tried storing them out on a rack/plate, but then I feel like I should be dusting them. When my buddy had his Dillon 750 on my bench it wasn't too bad, because he only loaded 9mm; but then his OCD took over and he had to get better fitting tool heads to fill in the play...I don't think he understood the concept of "float".

The issue that a tool head would address, that I find irritating, is the lack of space between the dies. Being able to slide a tool head in would be easier, but I'm used to the flexibility of being able to change the location of dies depending on what I want to do
 
Well, that didn't take long... I broke my promise to wait longer for kinks to be worked out and I bought the 6000 in 38/357 cal. I've been going through Livelife's threads along with some of your comments and I figure it'll all work out. I was getting to the point where I was thinking about it when getting up to take a leak in the middle of the night - so, enough was enough! Again - thanks for all the help and discussion. You'll hear from me again :)
 
about the only thing with the Lee, i understand the powder still flows thru the expander die. I prefer the Hornady, seperate powder than the loading dies, requires an extra step, but don't have to screw it into the expander die, with each change of calibers

the hornady lock n load, also comes with case feeder and primer feeder

but I do have to be honest, and say when I bought my setup, I purchased extra bushings for each caliber I load for. But sense then got a new 380 and the wife a 32 H & R so, looks like I need to get some more bushings
 
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Well, that didn't take long... I broke my promise to wait longer for kinks to be worked out and I bought the 6000 in 38/357 cal. I've been going through Livelife's threads along with some of your comments and I figure it'll all work out. I was getting to the point where I was thinking about it when getting up to take a leak in the middle of the night - so, enough was enough! Again - thanks for all the help and discussion. You'll hear from me again :)

Looking forward to it. This hobby is, if anything, interesting. Full of individuals finding their comfort zone and favorite tools and ways to do things. One thing is for sure, there's not just one way.

9mmepiphany brought up one of those areas where everybody has their own way.....storing dies not on the press. Would be interesting to see what people do whether they use bushings or toolheads. Either way you most likely won't remove them from the bushings or toolheads and put them back in the die set box like we did with single station presses with only screw holes through the top. Maybe clear boxes, as I use for my Pro 2000 toolhead and bullet feeding springs, would work to house the Pro 6000 dies/bushings plus bullet feeder parts like I was able to do below. Haven't worked out everything for the new press yet.

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Not so easy with the Pro Chucker with it's bigger tool head (seven stations), so with that I use a nut jar with the mouth cut out as in the picture below, and store in a horizontal file cabinet I found at a thrift store....both methods are dust proof even here in dusty New Mexico.;)

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The die in front is the Uniflow powder die. I would rather keep my feeder parts together with it....so I can get out just one container and setup and load. Not there yet with this one, but it works great for the pistol calibers on the hinged boxes used for the Pro 2000 in the first picture.

Would like to see what other people are doing to keep them dust free.
 
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about the only thing with the Lee, i understand the powder still flows thru the expander die. I prefer the Hornady, seperate powder than the loading dies, requires an extra step, but don't have to screw it into the expander die, with each change of calibers
With 6 stations, you can do the same with Pro 6000.

For some rifle loads, I powder charge manually using C-H 502 micrometer powder measure on Dillon 550 as it meters some powders very precisely and could do the same on Pro 6000.
 
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I bought the 6000 in 38/357
Congrats!

I've been going through Livelife's threads along with some of your comments and I figure it'll all work out.
Rest assured you won't be the beta testing guinea pig as most users now, even new users are reporting reliable press operations with updated parts that gave them issues. And when issues are posted even on other forums whether press related or new user learning curve related, correction/resolution posts are fairly quick.

During my unboxing of Pro 6000 and testing for finished round OAL consistency, I also stress tested different aspects of press to the point of failure (which were quickly reported to Lee Precision) and currently can comfortably say the updated parts have addressed issues to resolution for reliable press operations.

You'll hear from me again :)
And we will be happy to help you get setup and operating the press reliably if you run into any issues.
 
With 6 stations, you can do the same with Pro 6000.

For some rifle loads, I powder charge manually using C-H 502 micrometer powder measure on Dillon 550 as it meters some powders very precisely and could do the same on Pro 6000.
Thanks for putting together such a comprehensive set of helpful tips, tricks, and instruction. I’ve been going through the unboxing thread little by little. Good stuff.
 
Thanks for putting together such a comprehensive set of helpful tips, tricks, and instruction. I’ve been going through the unboxing thread little by little. Good stuff.
Feel free to post any question or inquiry you may have now even before press kit arrives to better familiarize yourself with press parts and operations to better prepare yourself for unboxing.

There is a slight learning curve getting familiar with any new press but most of us have already resolved early production issues and definitely would want new users to not reinvent the wheel. :)

For example, you can already start on selecting your press mount location using the template (After printing out pdf template, use ruler to verify zoom/scale is correct) - https://leeprecision.com/files/instruct/TMPSPP.pdf
 
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