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Before the "BIG BAN"

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Aaryq, Feb 22, 2007.

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  1. Aaryq

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    Okay folks, it's cruch time. If you look in the L&P forum there's a new AWB on the horizion. I don't get too much extra in a pay check for guns but I want to stock up before the ban in order to get grandfathered in (which sucks because I have to store them at my folks' house in ND because I'm stationed in the People's Republik of ********** and can't even shoot the sons of...well...guns). The question that I'm asking you is: If you were to want to stock upon Assault Rifles what would you get? I would like 2 replies to this question. 1 for the poor people and 1 for those of you who have...er...uh...more resources than a Corporal in the Marines with quite a few bills.
     
  2. thumper723

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    I reccomend buying AR lowers.

    They are legally "the gun" and can be had for about $100 at shows. I suspect if you shop around online, and have them FFL'd you are probably looking at less than $150 each.

    I would pick up a couple of them, and 1 "pistol" lower..
     
  3. Frog48

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    At least one more AR15, and probably an AK47 of some sort. I've never been an AK fan, but I'd get one anyway, to "thumb my nose" at the gun-ban folks.
     
  4. Eyesac

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    Mags Mags Mags!!!!!!! I also wouldn't mind a .308 rifle, FAL or M1... But mags are cheaper:D
     
  5. Lone_Gunman

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    First, let me say there is not a new AWB on the horizon. Once has been proposed, but it has been proposed every year since the old one expired. As of earlier this week, the currently proposed AWB had no co-sponsors. The democrats know full well that the AWB cost them the 1994 mid term elections, and I do not think they are stupid enough to try that again. I predict this will never make it out of committee.

    However, as for your question, I think buying lowers only might be a bad idea. I suspect that if a new AWB is ever passed, it will be worded in such a way that the rifle will have to be in its assault weapon configuration prior to the passage of the new law. If they word it in that way, then your lower could never be configured into a banned rifle, even though the lower is technically pre-ban.

    Under the 1994 ban, you could take a pre-ban lower and add to it later to create what would have otherwise been a banned weapon. This was a loophole accidentally created by an oversight on the part of the gun-banners and I doubt they will let it happen twice.

    I would recommend buying ARs and AKs. If you have any desire for a FAL you better get that too. Most important, buy magazines, because they are the part of the rifle that is most likely to wear out. Buy 'em cheap and stack 'em deep!
     
  6. ugaarguy

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    HR 1022 - the new ban - is still in commitee. See threads in L&P, see the "Fire Mission" threads at www.AR15.com. Start calling reps and e-mailing them. We, the pro RKBA forums & blogs, got Zumbo fired for his comments about ARs. Now let's get together, mobilize that same force, and kill HR 1022 before it gets out of commitee.

    If you think it may pass get stripped lowers. Then get a pistol grip, buttstock, and a complete upper with bayonet lug & flash supressor. Take a dated pic of each lower with the PG, buttstock & upper on it. Remember, the previous AWB said the reciever to be assembled in banned form before the law took effect to be counted as grandfathered in. If it left the factory as a stripped or otherwise incomplete lower the burden of proof is on you if whether or not the reciever was assembled to the point of a banned config is ever questioned. CYA, and buy mags lots of mags too - those will have tade value if a ban does get passed.
     
  7. Eightball

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    What other reasons do you need to have EBRs?:D
     
  8. mnrivrat

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    I think thumper723 has the right idea if all you are looking to do is assure yourself of the capability of having one if a ban occures. I would think the balance of the parts would still be available to complete a rifle.

    The investment is also not that big for something you can't have at your home anyway.
     
  9. scurtis_34471

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    AK variants are generally a lot less expensive than AR variants and there are some pretty nice ones available. On the lower end, there is a SAIGA with a nice skeletonized stock for under $400 or you could roll the dice on a Romanian WASR 10 for around the same money. The SAIGA is probably better made, but the WASR takes standard AK mags and stocks and the SAIGA doesn't. Moving up the food chain, you could get a nice Yugo AKM for around $550. I personally went with a VEPR for $620, which is built on an RPK receiver and is one of the best AKs out there in terms of accuracy. The VEPR, however, does not take standard stocks or mags. The most expensive option would be an Arsenal with a milled receiver, but those cost as much as an AR.
     
  10. Full Clip

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    Given that it would ban this:
    "A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."

    I'm thinking some M14 variant — perhaps a SOCOM — and an AK variant — perhaps a Saiga...

    "...to be determined by the Attorney General."

    Incredibly vague proposed law. What a crock.
     
  11. MechAg94

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    scurtis, what kind of Vepr did you get? Mine shoots 7.62X39 and takes standard AK mags. Did you get an oddball caliber?


    Personally, I am just trying to make sure I have plenty of spare mags, especially the imported stuff. Lots of deals on mags out there.
     
  12. Patriot-Brewer

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    I'm not sure, will the M1a get the boot. I guess if they use the "any barrel shroud" part or "any military type" part I read about in another thread then they'd be gone too. If not, I'd buy M1a's now as their price would probably rise if it's all that's available. Of course, if they want M1 carbines, why not
    M1a's too.

    And people thought a AWB would'nt even be brought up before the next election.:rolleyes:
     
  13. nobody_special

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    If you're worried about HR1022 (which isn't even out of committee yet, and it may just languish and die there) then don't just buy receivers and mags. HR1022 bans assault weapon parts:

    So you'll need the entire rifle (and mags of course).

    I think HR1022 has a modest chance of escaping the judiciary committee, but the chance of it passing a floor vote in the house is probably slim. I seriously doubt a similar measure would pass a vote in the senate. So I wouldn't be too worried... but even so, I'm stepping up my plans to get an M1A Scout/Squad, which will be my first (and possibly only) rifle.
     
  14. Shipwreck

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    Yes, I just bought another PS90 50 round mag. I wanna have enough in case this happens.
     
  15. Glockfan.45

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    Hell I'm having a flash hider and bayonet lug added to my post ban Colt AR just because I can (I dont even own a bayonet for a AR and they are useless on a 16 inch barrel). I hear every time a bayonet is fixed onto a "assault rifle" Sarah Brady gets a headache :D .
     
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    Buahahahh! Unfortunately, doing so on my AK required unthreading the birdcage flash hider, but it looks like it's time to give her the worst migrane of her life when I get near that thing! :evil:
     
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    Remember the last AWB expired. Bet the next one wont.:cuss: :cuss:
     
  18. SaMx

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    would a stripped lower be worthless? I mean, this new proposed ban has a clause against selling "assault weapon conversion kits" meaning any parts that will turn a gun into an "assault weapon." What's the point of a stripped lower if you can't put a grip on it?
     
  19. Bartholomew Roberts

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    A stripped lower is worthless under both the 1994 ban and the newly proposed McCarthy ban.

    Under the 1994 ban, BATF's position was that the rifle had to be a fully-completed rifle in a pre-ban configuration prior to the enactment of the ban to be grandfathered. From a practical sense, they couldn't really enforce this so a lot of people didn't pay much attention to it.

    Under the proposed McCarthy ban, BATF would undoubtedly take the same position. Not that it would matter since McCarthy's bill also bans any part that can be used to "convert" a semi-auto into an assault weapon. So no pistol grips, handguards, telestocks, threaded barrels, receivers listed or described by the ban, etc.

    Personally, I don't think the McCarthy ban will pass. I am still writing my Congressman and Senators and doing my best to make sure it never sees the light of day. I'll also be checking it regularly to make sure it remains as sponsorless as possible; but if gun owners do their part, this bill is dead.
     
  20. Plink

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    My low dollar suggestion would be CETMEs if you can find them cheap. Mags are super cheap too. Tapco just had a 50 for $50 sale but they're out now. The idea of getting AR lowers is a good one also. Might grab a few AKs while they're cheap. With the various import regulations currently in effect, they aren't going to be this cheap for long, even if there is no AWB ban.

    For the high dollar suggestion, I'd say the FAL or M1A. I love them both, but the FAL just fits me better. DSA makes awesome FALs and Fulton Armory makes world class M1As. Springfield makes an OK M1A but it's not in the same class with the Fulton model.
     
  21. AJAX22

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    Just for the record you can actually buy AR's and AK's here in the PRK, check out calguns.net if you need more info on the details.

    I bought half a dozen last year when I found out about it.
     
  22. Thin Black Line

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    What about the "constructive possession" MG stuff they pull if they feel you
    have too many full auto parts sitting around and a related semi-auto weapon
    even though the rifle/receiver was never modified and assembled? They still
    try to say you have a MG.....
     
  23. BADUNAME13

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    Being a Cpl in the Marines myself...

    AR recievers and one AR.
    Take the AR to pieces and configure and take pictures of each AR reciever assembled into a completed, preban AR... then take it apart again...

    Nothing wrong with that, and it WAS assembled into a 'Preban' weapon prior to whenever...

    Buy AK $99 parts kits and build your own (100% legal, but do it with compliance parts and prior to 'whenever' the ban is.)

    All the mags you can, especaily the Al and Plastic ones which will wear out easier.

    I'd recomend the FAL and M1A... but I already have that covered myself... and it'll take up too many resources.

    If you buy 6 AR recievers... selling 2 AR's will get your money back out AND give you enough profit to buy an M1A I expect..
    They will be your moneymakers.

    IF I had all the $... M1A's, HK's...CASES of Glock and other High cap mags, Couple Barrett semi .50's...
     
  24. Cheeseybacon

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    My intended order of aquring is as follows:

    1) AR-15 in .223/5.56 of some kind (leaning towards a 16" Bushmaster right now)
    2) Saiga-12 shotgun (converted and worked over by Tromix)
    3) A FAL of some kind (gotta do more reading up on these, don't know much about them except that I want one)
     
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    Mine is 7.62x39, but apparently won't take standard mags. I am picking it up today, so I have not had time to investigate this, but the dealer I bought it from told me that the VEPR rifles produced since the Izmash takeover no longer accept standard AK magazines.
     
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