Beretta 9000?

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  1. Kentucky Rifle

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    I was watching The History Channel's "Tales of The Gun" this morning and the "Guns of Beretta" was on. I've seen this one several times, but it's a favorite, so I watched it again. The last model that they showed was the "9000". I've begun to notice that (around here anyway) the prices on Beretta 9000's are dropping. It doesn't look like a bad little pistol and I wondered why it hasn't seemed to "make it" around here.
    It's kind of fat, but not really ugly.
    Thoughts please? Reasons? Why didn't the 9000 get to be more popular?
    As you can see, I've discovered that 9MM pistols are pretty pleasant to shoot. It all started with that Kahr PM9 I bought last. It's my only 9MM. I want to add some more "nines" to my safe.<shrug> I can't help it. :rolleyes:

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  2. PCRCCW

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    Well they look like they were designed by a non gunner.....Martha Stewart or similar aspiring person.

    The grip is very fat....makes a Glock look like a diet center graduate, its not shaped very appealling to me and the triggers are just ok.

    Ive shot one and handled a few more.......I think Beretta took a chance on a design and pretty much shot themselves in the foot.

    I think by the lack of popularity of the guns overall.............the public agrees with me...........:D

    Shoot well.
     
  3. yesterdaysyouth

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    best i can figure the fat grip, top heavy slide and wacky looks make the pistol an ugly stepchild... i mean think about it... beretta blows up the 9000s and calls it a storm and can't sell enough of them... they also shrink it, call it a neos and the same thing happens....

    if they realeased the 9000s last and made it accept 92/96 mags without the adapter, i think sales would have been much better... bet then it's alot easier now to look back and say that...

    bottom line is, if you can warm up to the design it's a great deal right now... i paid 429 just over a year ago, and now you can get it for 300-350, get the 9mm and the .40....:D

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  4. Croyance

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    I remember handling one when they first came out. My impressions were that:
    1.) The safety lever is very stiff. Perhaps after a few hundred manipulations, it gets better, but it was the worst I have used. It wasn't smooth either. I like carry guns that don't take huge amount of wear-in time.
    2.) It is hard to get a hold of the slide. I like carry guns that are easy to manipulate, just in case. It has a slide in the frame design, but when I quickly racked the slide, I ended up grabbing more than slide.
    3.) The grip, to me, was oddly proportioned. Not as comfortable as I like.
    4.) Felt too plastic for a Beretta. I like my Walther P99, so maybe it is a double standard. Sue me.
    All in all, I prefer to find a Beretta 92 L, type M, the metal single stack Beretta. No luck yet.
     
  5. Politically Incorrect

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    Don't know why, but I like the 9000. It's seems like a nice compact 9mm autoloader. I've not shot one yet, but thought about buying one if I had.. ..what's that stuff...


    ..oh yeah, money. :(
     
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    You REALLY need a Benelli Nova... :cool:
     
  7. Mr. Mysterious

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    The Galyans by me had the 9000SF on clearance for $300. Seeing this made me want to buy a new cheap gun in 9mm (damn sells I am worse than women with shoes). When the sales guy finally let me see it I was disappointed. The slide was very hard to get a hold of and rack. I tried numerous ways and I just couldn't begin to like it. I gave it back to the clerk and started looking for other $300 autos.

    I had narrowed my decision down to a used Glock 23, a new CZ, a CETME G3, or an el cheapo 1911, and the Steyr M9. Bought the M9 and haven't regretted it one bit. Haven't shot that much through it but it is great.
     
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    how about this??:D
     
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    My dealer has some Storms and some 9000's on his wall at good prices (especially for Massachusetts). Neither are really bad but why didn't Beretta make the magazines interchangeable between the two?

    Now THAT would have been an interesting idea.
     
  10. themic

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    i applaud them for taking a risk in trying to design a gun that's stylistically different - maybe it'll appeal to more females out there. i know my sister thought it was the coolest looking thing in the world when she saw one.

    good marketing to have NIOBE carry these in the MATRIX movies and in the game.

    don't see them around too often. maybe they're uncomfortable for men, but more comfortable for females (in general)?
     
  11. extremefishin00

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    I liked the Beretta 9000 until I got a chance to hold it. The size of its grips makes a Beretta 92 look downright anorexic. Also, operating the safety was a three handed affair, you hold the gun, and have a friend operate the safety. It was that stiff. I gave up trying to use the safety because I was at a gun show, and I didn't want to break it. This gun would have been a perfect candidate for a DAO, if they don't already make it in that configuration.

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    I like my 9000s in .40 S&W. Really accurate for its size, does cocked & locked, has a hammer dropper if you like DA/SA, and has ambi safety. The DA is better than decent.

    Problem is, too thick for CCW IMHO, althouh I love the way it feels in my hand. My wife liked it too, but .40 was a bit too stout for her, since they are so cheap now, might pick one up for her in 9mm, as I'd like her to have somthing a bit more powerful than the Model 86 .380ACP, an awfully big gun for its power -- which made it great for her to learn on and pass her CHL qualifier with.


    The ~1.2" thickness in the grips is about the same as most 1911 grips, but the nearly 1.3" in the slide and ~1.7" across the safety levers really makes a bulge.

    I'd planned on using mine for a "car gun" until I discovered the Taurus PT145 so its been mostly a safe queen since to me 10+1 of 45ACP vs 10+1 of .40 S&W is an no-brainer in a gun this size (plus my PT145 has night sights).

    But the current prices on these are about the same as a PT145 so its definitely worth a look if the thickness of the slide isn't a showstopper for you. PT145 is about the same thickness in the grips but only 1" wide in the slide. My PT145 has a much better DAO trigger than the 9000 DA trigger

    --wally.
     
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    FPrice-The 9000 and the Storm will both take the Beretta 92 mags. You do need a spacer for the 9000 and the mag sticks out the bottom of the grip but would be good for a backup mag or practice.
     
  14. MrMurphy

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    Saying the 9000 is kind of fat is like saying Rosie O'Donnell has a slight weight problem.


    If anything it's FATTER than a 92 (which I couldn't believe) and way oversized for a 9mm.


    Get a Kahr K9 or T9, the mags will work in your PM9. Or a Sig P239, or a Browning Hi Power.
     
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    I saw them on sale at Galyans, and liked it until I held it. The grip is too short and stout for me. If the grip was the same thickness and taller, or slimmer and the same height, it would have probably been ok, but the combination wasn't comfortable for me. I discovered the Springfield XD40, and didn't look back.

    The 9000s was also used by Tom Cruise at the end of "Minority Report", but since Tom is a little fella, it probably fit his hands just fine... ;)
     
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    Like the other posters said, the grip is VERY fat and the saftey is way too stiff. I was very interested in them after seeing them in minority report and then seeing the prices, but after handling one I decided on a SIG P239 instead. After carrying my SIG for the last year and putting a five hundred rounds through it I couldn't be any happier with my choice.
     
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    I bought a 9000 to put out the fire in my pocket and am pleased with it . I find it to be exceptionally accurate for its size and it's fun to shoot . I have larger than average hands and found the magazine with the flip down rest to be a nuisance - with the flush magazine I'm able to comfortable wrap my pinky . It is thick , but I don't have any problems carrying it at all and I don't have any problems using my thumb to flip down the safety , though it's easier to use 2 hands to decock , I don't see when and why that would really be a problem in usage . Like has been said , it readily takes 15 or 17rd 92 ( or 96 if one were to go with the .40 ) . Mine didn't like WWB during break in but has been flawless with CorBon , Speer , and S&B . For $369 I thought it was a pretty good deal but I also think it looks cool too , not everything needs to be slab sided tactical . I don't think I'd recommend it over a Kahr or mini-Glock but for someone on a tighter budget I think it's a somewhat maligned solid choice . Definately shoot one before deciding that it's too fat , you might be surprised .

    I carry it quite a bit these days actually , maybe it's just because I wish I was Tom Cruise ... Nah , I only wanted Nicole Kidman and Scientology isn't my bag :D
     
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    The 9000 was also in The Matrix II, Morpheous' girlfriend packed a pair of them. She is photographed with them in one of the movie posters.
     
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    For those of you that have 9000's, how is the trigger/trigger reset? I found it to be a bit long.
     
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    I really wanted to like this pistol.

    Seemed like the perfect size, compatibility with Beretta 92 mags was a plus, cocked and locked potential.

    I thought the fat grip reports were over-exaggerated but alas when I held one I found the fat grip reports to be grossly under-exaggerated. It's not just fat, it's huge and makes me feel like I am a child trying to get my hand around a Glock 21.

    I've thought about buying one in the hopes that something similar to the Glock grip shaving/reduction can be done to reduce it's front to back grip girth but I'm not holding my breath.

    It's too bad they put a Desert Eagle short grip on it. It was such an attractive package.
     
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    The 9000F isn't really a gun, it's a novelty.

    I love my .40 version, but the grip is terrible, the slide is too slim to get a decent grip, it has a TERRIBLE da trigger, and it's as fat as a pig.

    I just sit and look at it and wonder if will be worth a million dollars a hundred years from now as a collectors item, sort of like an Edsel.

    Carrying it CCW would be hilarious.

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    it is dissapointing to hear these reports. I'm a big fan of ergonomic design and It "LOOKS" ergonomic. I guess it just doesn't "FEEL" that way.

    I like the looks of all the new 'space gun' designs. Held a Storm at a recent gun show and I could hardly put the thing down I liked it so much. Talk about a handy little rifle that I would never use for anything but must have because it's coooooool sort of thing.

    -bevr
     
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    I like mine but I am trimming down my handgun collection to make room (read funds) for some long guns. Milt Sparks VM-II in black (Right Handed) in the package and will throw in a new set of Radians electronic ears for the same price.

    Search my user name if interested to see pix and price.

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    The 9000 design was the first "new design" that was produced when patriarch Ugo Beretta turned the reigns over to his sons. They were more style oriented than Ugo.
    If you look back at that time, the entire look of their advertising, marketing and graphic treatments all took the same turn, ie progressive. IMHO, too much style and not enough substance in all the areas, the most lamentable is in the products they sell.
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    Come on, my Kimber TLE II measures 1.28" thick in the grips just below the mag release, and front to back its 1.97" just below the grip safety.

    My .40 S&W 9000s is 1.23" wide on the thickest part of the grips I can find, and is 2.29" front to back just above the bottom of the mag. Compare to an arched mainspring housing Colt measuring 2.21" front to back just above the bottom of the mag.

    "Feel" is an intensely personal thing, you may not like it, but the 9000s is closer to a 1911 than a Glock 21 in grip dimensions -- I measure 1.29" wide and 2.41" front to back in the same places on my Glock 21. To me the Glock does indeed feel like a block :)

    The slide of the 9000S makes the 1.13" of Glock 21 positively svelte :)

    The ambi safeties on the 9000s means you'd need a box 1.7" deep if you wanted to close the lid. Thats the real problem with the 9000s for CCW IMHO.

    Mine's a great shooter and 10+1 of .40 S&W is nice for its lenght, height, & weight; but its just too much of a bulge for me to carry.

    --wally.


    Edit:
    I agree the DA pull is not so great but then I think all DA/SA guns are pretty awful (my SIG 226 & Beretta 92 included). At least the 9000s will do cocked and locked, and the SA trigger is better than good -- probably why I shoot it so well compared to other small .40 S&W guns like my Kahr P40 or RAP 440. For me, at 10 yards my 9000s goups almost as well as my full size CZ75B.
     
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